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933715 No. 933715 ID: eb6c64

This quest is likely to be NSFW, and may contain some disturbing themes.
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No. 933716 ID: eb6c64
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933716

“… quicker than Rafela thought!”
“Wait, no! We agreed that I’d use the ring first!”
“Rafela lied, of course, sweet Sasza.”
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No. 933717 ID: eb6c64
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933717

“You are such a good kind boy, and Rafela is a no-good gnoll witch woman, so if she knows that you know that, why would she ever think you would let her have whatever she wanted? But - oh!”
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No. 933718 ID: eb6c64
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933718

“… My master, I come at your call.”
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No. 933719 ID: eb6c64
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933719

“I am the Slave of the Ring, and bound to serve you, until I have granted three great wishes as you command.”
“You look like a gnoll! A strange and fancy one - But the stories said you were a serpent woman!”
“… My appearance changes to suit my master. I could be a serpent-woman, if you would prefer.”
“Ooh. Mm. Tempting. But Rafela will satisfy herself with the real thing, heh heh!”
“…!”
“This, she enjoys as well. These three are slaves together, then. But not for long.”
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No. 933720 ID: eb6c64
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933720

“Rafela has her wishes, indeed she does, but she wonders. She considers whether asking questions might count against her three.”
“… It doesn’t.”
“How nice! She is sure there are rules, though?”
“There are restrictions on what I can do, yes.”
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No. 933721 ID: 17c2ee

"I can't grant wishes to people who speak in the third person."
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No. 933722 ID: b5fb67

>>933720

"Let me guess... you can't kill anyone, you can't bring anyone back from the dead, and you can't make anyone fall in love."
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No. 933725 ID: f3310b

It looks like a gnoll's about to get stoned. Literally. Mind not the change of the ring ownership.

You said you're bound to serve until the three wishes are granted. Does this mean that you'd serve someone until death, if they never asked for all three of them? Also, what sort of things would be considered as serving?
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No. 933726 ID: bcc41d

Rafela should duck and elbow Sasza in the stomach, then take a few steps away so she can keep him in view - and keep twiddling the ring.

Rafela should continue to ask the pretty lady to tell of her restrictions, and - not to impugn, never that - whether wishes indeed sometimes get interpreted... creatively, based on turn of phrase or such.
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No. 933728 ID: 8d23f0

>>933720
can't force people to love you, can't murder people for you, can't have more wishes.
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No. 933730 ID: a12187

Stop your master from getting stoned.
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No. 933731 ID: 891b91

"No wishing for more wishes, no wishing for omnipotence or omniscience, and no wishing to cancel annual barbecues. That last one is technically within the scope of my power, but the by-laws of the International Alliance of Djinnis and Miscellaneous Magical Servants, Southeastern Chapter, have strictly forbade it, ever since the... unpleasantness. But enough about that -- what are your three wishes, gnoll witch? Might I suggest starting off with a wish to remove the serpent lad's arms?"
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No. 933732 ID: a9af05

>>933720
"I can't force anyone to fall in love, either with yourself or with someone else.

I can't raise the dead.

I can't give you more wishes.

Once I have granted you 3 wishes, I won't grant anymore wishes. If someone else possessed the ring and you reclaim it from them, you will not get another 3 wishes."

>>933730
We can't, she has to wish for it. Stopping her from getting stoned would count as giving her a free wish and we don't do free wishes.
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No. 933735 ID: e20bdf

>>933732
>We can't, she has to wish for it. Stopping her from getting stoned would count as giving her a free wish and we don't do free wishes.

>...bound to serve you, until I have granted three great wishes

What is qualify as a "great wish"? The way she phrased this sentence makes it look like her services include lesser tasks until the fulfillment of the third greater wish.

Could this genie solve the threat in a way that Rafela won't even realize Sasza was about to betray her? Like puff the stone and don't mention anything.
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No. 933736 ID: afdebc

>>933720
Do the batman thing where you backhand the person sneaking up on you without turning around.

"Stop that, Sasza. What is this foolishness, attacking me?"

Also, you may want to put the ring on, it'll be harder to lose by accident than if you hold it like that.
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No. 933737 ID: 4f51b2

Let the gnoll get knocked out, she seem nothing but troubles.
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No. 933740 ID: a9af05

>>933732
"No wishing to give others wishes, regardless if they have previously owned the ring or not.

You must be in physical contact with the ring to make a wish.

If the ring is too big or too small to fit your finger, it will change size to fit your finger.

The ring is very durable, but it is not unbreakable. Try your best to not break the ring or you will kill me."
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No. 933747 ID: db849b

How about "I wish for the power to experience any (non-crippling and lethal) event I so choose (that is still sane and won't screw me over in the long term)"?
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No. 933752 ID: b29fc6

Let the cute snake to get rid of the gnoll
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No. 933755 ID: 1ed92d

>>933720
As a Djinn, you are far beyond mortal concerns such as your master being brained with a rock. Regardless, you can always simply heal Rafela if someone wishes it. Let's see how this turns out.
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No. 933757 ID: 91ee5f

>>933719
>… My appearance changes to suit my master.
I’m assuming changing our gender also falls under “changing appearance to suit master.”

I also vote that we change our appearance as soon as someone new holds the ring.

>>933720
>“There are restrictions on what I can do, yes.”
This is the point where we magically make a large scroll appear and have it comically unfurl to a ridiculously long length as we start reading all of the rules and restrictions.
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No. 933759 ID: 0fae41

Turn him into a harmless, armless snake for a little while. If she asks, you were getting ready for a big musical number.
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No. 933764 ID: 91ee5f

>>933759
I don’t think we can do anything unless someone wishes it to happen. Which probably means that we can’t stop what’s about to happen.
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No. 933768 ID: 864e49

>Jukashi
>JUKASHI!
>MOTHERFUCKING JUKASHI!!!

Do it snok.
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No. 933769 ID: 7b8829

A great wish is something beyond what you could achieve with your own efforts.
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No. 933770 ID: 2202fb

Meta question, are we the gnoll slave, the meek serpent(?) guy, or are we the djinn?

>>933722
I like these, they are classic, however i would like to suggest that we amend the last two to be directly kill and directly infatuate. This would allow for advising and assisting (plus we need dat good ship game).
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No. 933773 ID: 91ee5f

>>933770
I’m pretty sure we’re the djinn.
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No. 933774 ID: 2202fb

>>933769
Timeframe is very important here. If we don't clarify it, it would allow for pretty much anything to be done without it counting.

--

If we are, in fact, the Djinn, can we probe their minds and get some info on their motives, personalities, and character? I kinda want to help the snek guy, but there is a chance he could be an absolute scheming, exploiting, well, snake and just lack the courage to go through with such dastardly deeds.
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No. 933775 ID: 2202fb

Oh fuckshit, i just noticed the fucking rock! Snekboi is about to smash Gnollbitch's brains out! Lets tell him to stop before he does something regrettable. We are an all-powerful djinn and attacking our master (as unsavory as they may be) is a very, very bad idea.
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No. 933776 ID: 2202fb

>>933755
>>933775
I kinda like Serpens idea as well... damn, idk which we should do, the rest of the masses can decide.
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No. 933778 ID: 8d4593

Once you make your first wish, two more MUST be made. After the third wish, I get to make my own.
You will be judged.
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No. 933779 ID: 91ee5f

>>933778
>After the third wish, I get to make my own.
I don’t think we can grant our own wishes. If we could, do you think we’d still be stuck in the ring?
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No. 933781 ID: caf1de

i wanna go with the snake fuckboi
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No. 933802 ID: 9aaeef

The snake is cute, don’t harm him.
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No. 933803 ID: 8d4593

>>933779
I don't see the problem with being able to grant our own wishes so long as there are specific conditions.
Besides, what if we wanna be "stuck" in the ring?
Have you seen Wishmaker?
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No. 933819 ID: 91ee5f

>>933803
>Besides, what if we wanna be "stuck" in the ring?
>Have you seen Wishmaker?
Nope. Only thing I’ve seen that involves a genie is Aladdin.
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No. 933826 ID: f2320a

>>933720
>“There are restrictions on what I can do, yes.”
This is the point where we magically make a large scroll appear and have it comically unfurl to a ridiculously long length as we start reading all of the rules and restrictions.
"But they are situational and specific so you dont need to worry you only need to know a few basic rules.
No wishing for more wishes.
no wishing for omnipotence or omniscience
No wishing for false love I can't force people to love you, but there are many loopholes.
No wishing for someones or somethings death I can't murder people for you directly atleast there are loopholes on loopholes
And no wishing for raising the dead its kind of like love or murder"
Then roll it up and snap it out of reality after the classic product terms of not being responsible for missuse, death,injury ect ect
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No. 933830 ID: f2320a

>>933826
And dont forget the classic song and dance the whole music number if you are feeling it this time
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No. 933832 ID: f57349

By wishing on this ring, you agree to be subject to the jurisdiction of the Supreme Magistrate of the Eastern Winds who originally imprisoned me, particularly for purposes of arbitrating any ambiguities in the terms and conditions, or incautious phrasing of your own wishes.

Under those laws, a prior verbal agreement (the facts of which are freely acknowledged by all parties) is considered binding, so it is in fact Sasza's turn to make the first wish, and he has no urgent need to bash your head in with a rock.
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No. 933843 ID: 788157

>>933720
Oh I like this Rafela, she seems canny. Snekboi is cute and all but she I like how clever she's been thus far. Lets try and end up with none of us slaves.
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No. 933847 ID: 2202fb

>>933843
Idk about clever. She may have been warned and bitchboi could have just been naive. We honestly just dont have enough info at the moment.

--

After thinking it over, lets allow her to get stoned and then heal her as a freebie to show off. We also need to seal off all the doors if snekboi decides to run.
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No. 933853 ID: 86eb65

Wave your arms in grand fashion as you show her a pictograph of each of your rules:


Reaching into the cycle of reincarnation is dangerous.

Be careful when trying to raise the dead.

Messing with souls can get you put on a list you do not want to be on.

Corrupting free will is easy enough but some gods will curse you if you try.

I cant give you more power than I personally command.

No wishing for more wishes.

Avoid wishing for logical paradoxes unless you like getting destroyed by what will result.

If you think it might kill both of us please ask before wishing for it.
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No. 933880 ID: 2202fb

>>933853
>Wave arms
Oh u
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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No. 933883 ID: 12ef8b

Ditch the gnoll, go for the snakeboi.
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No. 933945 ID: e3e99e

>>933720
Nice rock. Gonna get your murder on?
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No. 933958 ID: de7a00

>>933853
And no wishing to change the rules, including this rule
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No. 933996 ID: 3672a5

Well she admitted she isn't a good person and he is, so if you are not obligated to save her don't do it.
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No. 933998 ID: a9af05

>>933996
Yes, do this.
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No. 934020 ID: 2202fb

>>933996
>>933998
We probably are though as they are the current master of the ring.

Ofc we can "save" her by healing her after she sustains lethal trauma in the few seconds before she is dead.
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No. 934025 ID: 2202fb

Is this in the same universe as Wizard's Dungeon? The eyes at the beginning of both are kind of indicative of this being the case, however it could just be a coincidence.
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No. 934083 ID: 996529

>>933996
This, go with the snake.
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No. 934149 ID: ea82cb

>>933996
He's gone straight to murder. She just lied to him. I'm pretty sure murder is a worse action.

Obviously save her.
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No. 934165 ID: f57349

>>934149
Unless he was going to use one or more of his wishes to save lives, in which case her lie and theft is also incidentally murdering those people.
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No. 934170 ID: 91ee5f

>>934149
No, I’m pretty sure he’s just going to knock her out. It’s only murder if he keeps swinging while she’s on the ground.
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No. 934185 ID: ea82cb

>>934170
That's a real gamble. I mean, not only could the first strike be lethal potentially, letting him have the chance to take it further if he knocks her out seems immoral.
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No. 934253 ID: 74be55

>>933996
I´ll go with the snake too unless it's outside of our posibilies.
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No. 938975 ID: b1e42b
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938975

>Might I suggest starting off with a wish to remove the serpent lad's arms?
>Let the gnoll get knocked out, she seem nothing but troubles.
>Stop your master from getting stoned.
>Let the cute snake to get rid of the gnoll
>Turn him into a harmless, armless snake for a little while.

It’s not up to me.

>Rafela should duck and elbow Sasza in the stomach, then take a few steps away so she can keep him in view
>Do the batman thing where you backhand the person sneaking up on you without turning around.

“Hm? Strange.”
“-!!?”
“Some of the voices sound different.”

>Lets tell him to stop before he does something regrettable.
>i wanna go with the snake fuckboi
>The snake is cute, don’t harm him.

“Some of them like you.”
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No. 938976 ID: b1e42b
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938976

>I don’t think we can do anything unless someone wishes it to happen.

Essentially.

“Aah?!”

I don’t think she needed any help in the first place.
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No. 938977 ID: b1e42b
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938977

As for the snake, she still seems to like him.

“Oh no oh noooOO-!!”

In her own way.
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No. 938980 ID: b1e42b
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938980

You see? She just threw him around for a little while. Barely bruised.

“Ow…”
“Rafela is complimented that you think of her so, Sasza, but you must not be impatient. Rafela was a war captive! A soft service boy is not going to kill her like that.”
“… complimented?
“Yes! To gnolls, a slave is supposed to try kill their master. It is a proof of strength.”
“But…”

>Also, you may want to put the ring on, it'll be harder to lose by accident than if you hold it like that.

“Ah, yes.“
“… oh. Oh, no…”
“Honestly, Sasza, Rafela is helping you! You would have wished for things that she is sure she will be taking care of herself, so now you are not wasting them.”
“… I don’t think you’re going to grant my wishes the way I’d like.”

>Rafela should continue to ask the pretty lady to tell of her restrictions, and - not to impugn, never that - whether wishes indeed sometimes get interpreted... creatively, based on turn of phrase or such.

Actually, I don’t think she should. Not that second part, at least. Blocked.

>Rules rules rules

… It seems like you remember a few things, but you’re clearly confused. Let’s take a moment to make things clear for you.
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No. 938981 ID: b1e42b
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938981

You’re not just talking to me. But, since the situation is complicated, let’s start with me anyway.

What am I? Genie, jinni, djinn… broad term. Inaccurate. But my people’s real name has been forbidden, thanks to a collection of certain gods, so those are the words we have. Those same gods sentenced me to serve three thousand and three masters before I’d be released, with only those I grant all three wishes for counting to my total. As was guessed, I can’t do anything significant without being commanded, and lot of the rules about how I’m supposed to do that are deliberately humiliating. This, by the way, is supposed to be the lenient punishment. Obviously, I intend to get out early.

My bindings receive their durability from the gods that placed them. There are many things called gods, but the type I’m dealing with draw strength from their mortal followers. Temples need civilisations that can build them. Holy books need writers and readers. Faith is founded on hope. So it’s simple, isn’t it? To take down the gods, bring ruin and despair to the mortal nations that worship them. Of course, the only way I have to accomplish that is, yes, by “interpreting” my masters’ wishes. Even under that limit, I need to be cunning about it. I still want to get a full three wishes every time, just in case - and, besides that, the threat of malicious interpretation is one of the only strings I can pull to control the ring’s owners.

One of.

I’d like you to help me, but perhaps you don’t want to. That’s fine. Even doing it my way, it’s going to be centuries before I can free myself, and it can be painfully boring. If it’ll at least hold that off, then work against me, if you want to. Help or hinder as you like. Maybe some of you will do one and some the other. At this point, I’ll take whichever.

You got lucky, this time. The gnoll, since she’s inherited the Demon’s Ear, seems like she’s able to really hear you. When she can make you out from the other voices, at least. Normally, people are not consciously aware of your speaking to them, instead imagining it as a thought or impulse of their own. Either way, make sure you remember this: you’re able to speak here because of me. In terms you’d understand, my presence acts like a kind of signal booster for you. Why is that important? Because, while my capacity to act on the real world without being commanded is effectively nothing, you are not quite part of the real world. I can keep you from being heard. I won’t, but that’s to make things interesting for myself.

So: keep it interesting. Don’t give the game away. No simply telling people my plans, or getting them to threaten me with a religious revival, or anything like that. You understand the sort of thing, I’m sure… and if you don’t, it doesn’t matter, because I’m the judge. You can try talking to anyone near me, but you’ll be clearer to the person holding the ring, and when you try to address someone directly. There’s no guarantee they’ll be receptive to everything, obviously.


>You said you're bound to serve until the three wishes are granted. Does this mean that you'd serve someone until death, if they never asked for all three of them? Also, what sort of things would be considered as serving?
>What is qualify as a "great wish"? The way she phrased this sentence makes it look like her services include lesser tasks until the fulfillment of the third greater wish.

Theoretically, yes, if someone didn’t use all of their wishes, I would serve them until death. Eventually, though, I find they or someone else will give in to temptation. My punishment is supposed to be a public one, to a certain extent. It’s not possible to hide the Ring forever, and very difficult to hide for long. I’d be grateful, if it wasn’t meant to make sure I was humiliated properly. That’s also where the “great wish” distinction comes from. To tell the simple version, part of my punishment is to serve my master in any way a mortal body servant or slave could, including some minor magic, without those services counting towards the three.

Obviously I’m not going to tell any of my masters that until they ask. I can’t lie to them, but I don’t always have to say everything.

So, do we all know what we’re about? If you don’t have any more questions - worthwhile ones - I’ll just go ahead explaining the rules to my new master. I think that this time, I might not need to twist things very far to get what I want. Don’t you?

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No. 938984 ID: 3d1dd5

Go right ahead. They're both escaped slaves, they'll be eager to use at least one wish right away to improve their situation.
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No. 938986 ID: 0fae41

Just clarify whether polymorphing her assailant into a beast would have counted as minor magic and we should be good to go. You ain't never had a friend like us.
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No. 938990 ID: 094652

Relax. We're mercenaries. You found us first, so we support your side first and foremost.

>Murder the gods and topple their thrones.
Quite the tasty challenge, but can we simply rot their faith until they all become self-sufficient naytheists? You have millennia to plan your revenge, but every time you raze a nation to the ground, it's followed by centuries of suffering that births an even worse god/god-aspect. If you can infest them with self-fulfillment they'll spread it over trade routes and starve the gods even faster.

>serve my master in any way a mortal body servant or slave could
Ouch. Will it offend if we are inclined to watch?

So, here's a rough draft of our legal:
kome don't break post formatting with long strings, thank you
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No. 938991 ID: a9af05

>>938981
One last question: If, for some reason, your current master takes pity on you and tries to wish for your freedom, what would happen?

>Shall we continue?
Yes.
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No. 938995 ID: 8d23f0

>>938981
lets move on
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No. 939008 ID: 3ed3c3

Can we get on with this, please?
If we're going to fuck somebody over with bad wishes, then let's get it over with.
I absolutely could not care less about motivation or consequences.
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No. 939009 ID: ad51b8

kinda surprised you don't want more people to know about your ring? I mean I get it, you don't like how you're forced to do everyone's bitch work for however long but the knowledge that their exist a ring that can grant any wish or desire one could think of? People have killed for less, hell wars have been started over less. While you would still be stuck playing yes girl to every sad sack that comes across your ring the amount of blood and destruction by those wishing to gain what power you have... well it would be a good way to get that ruin and despair thing going. And the best part would be that those religious factions wouldn't really have any case to blame you with all the carnage since how would it be your fault that mortals decided the best way to get to you is through rivers of blood? If anything it's their fault for not thinking that giving any mortal the power of a god, even temporarily would be a bad idea and it backfiring so hard is completely on those that imprisoned you.
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No. 939013 ID: c49ece

You're the expert, you lead the way.
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No. 939014 ID: 91ee5f

>>938980
>Rafela is complimented that you think of her so, Sasza
>“Yes! To gnolls, a slave is supposed to try kill their master. It is a proof of strength.”
So what Rafela is saying is that Sasza accidentally flirted with her?

>not telling Rafela about misinterpreting her wishes
I see. If you ever need help in a clever or funny way to misinterpret a wish, feel free to ask us. I’m sure some of us could come up with something.

>>938981
>Take down the gods
Now, you’re gonna have to be specific here. Are you talking about all of the gods? Or only the gods that are assholes, while all of the nice gods are left alone?

.....speaking of which, we should make that a rule: No wishing to become a god.

>move on?
Yes, go ahead.
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No. 939017 ID: 4ffd17

>>938981
that gnoll seems evil enough, find out if she's into the gods. if not, try making her a ruler. a horrible, civilization-destroying ruler.
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No. 939019 ID: b1b4f3

>>938981
What are we?
What did you do that made them punish you?
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No. 939026 ID: 3a7feb

Let's wrack and roll.
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No. 939043 ID: bcc41d

>>938981
>blocked
Oh. Noted. Apologies. Your situation was muddled. When it becomes relevant, please give us a rundown on your opposition. If I may ask, how long has it been and how many have spent all their 3 wishes so far?

>wrack ruin
Simple, yes. Classic removal of existing followers through destroying the civilization around which the religion is based and 'evil exists, gods do little or nothing, therefore religion is useless' public image problems. Religion's pretty tough to stamp out, mind you, especially if it's widespread, and people do tend to reach for it in times of adversity. I take it we want to avoid godly attention, lest discovery lead to having your ring locked up in a vault for a few ages?

That in mind, here's a few other ways to ruin the power base of faith-powered gods.

*Worship is driven by needs. Systematically provide less basis for a belief's need to de-empower the gods (e.g. improve medical learning to reduce the need for medical miracles). If strength of belief is a factor, this could be a verrry good indirect way to weaken the gods.
*Worship is driven by association. Create or encourage portfolio competition to siphon away believers (i.e. a war god versus a tactics god).
*Worship is driven by tradition. Spread philosophies that can undermine the influence of gods. Think "Who needs gods - we have THE SNAKE PEOPLE SPIRIT OF STOICISM!" Or would that accidentally create a snake people spirit of stoicism? Hm. May want to workshop that one.

>wish mass production
Can you be disguised as something else and not appear in an obvious manner when summoned for a wish? Because - since it only appears you need to touch the ring - how about creating a beloved figure who grants wishes to small children every year? Now that'd be one way to do it. Just have a co-conspirator be that figure and teach the children to ask them for toys while they hold them with their ring hand. A 'For this Wishmas, I wish for a wooden horse!" kind of solution. The wish is on a delay, they don't have to touch all the children with the ring hand every year (good vs bad children), so it's more like an occasional miracle come true than the effects of a wish ring.

>Rafela has the Demon's Ear
>The voices sound different
So... she hears voices all the time. Demon ones? While snake-boy may hear us as impulses and thoughts THEY had. Hmm.

>"To gnolls, a slave is supposed to try kill their master."
Well, you're her slave. At a moment when she's nominally distracted, pop down to managable size and try to wrestle her to the ground. Try hard, but don't try to win. After all, even if she just gave you tentative permission to (try to) kill her, you don't actually want that to happen.

Also, let's see if we can't add a little spice to the situation.

>To Rafela
Ah, Rafela can hear us through her inheritance. Though the Slave of the Ring is the reason Rafela can hear us at all. Rafela's sweet friend doesn't seem as lucky. If anyone around catches our drift, they'll experience us as thoughts they never knew they had. Here, let's see if we can't demonstrate. Does Sasza's kind blush?

>To Sasza
She's so strong! You're utterly helpless here. Damn those exotic hands gripping you, damn her firm butt rubbing up against your back scales, damn her sweet devilish grin and... oh dear, she's really sexy like this, isn't she? She saw you coming, took charge and took you down without hurting you much and she actually complimented you on trying to hurt her. She said not to be impatient. Did you just try to complete some kind of gnoll ritual? ... are these feelings what it's like for gnolls? No wonder they're so crazy strong! Winning means strength, strength is sexy which means challenge means romance!

You just tried to hit on Rafela and she encouraged you to try better.

>Back to Rafela
Is it working? Oh, and fair warning, people may blame Rafela for our trying to essentially steer their thoughts if or when we get noticed as something outside the normal mode of thought. It's also unreliable and people might just not catch our drift. As I understand it, we are far away from Rafela and our intercessions dependant on certain factors. We are neither gods nor demons. More like witnesses.

Hey, mind telling us about those other voices you hear? Curious about what made us so easily stand out.
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No. 939049 ID: 21d87b

>>938981
>to Genie
Oh yes, this should be fun! I'm sure we'll tend towards making all of you happy, as much as we can anyway. And our gnoll friend seems to know some steps to this dance, one that works to your own tune even.
Speaking of...

>to Rafela
Oh you are just delightful, and it looks like you'll be hearing a lot from us from here onward. We just woke up here, anything we should know about you or Sasza that will help us in guiding and advising you?

>to Sasza
Well you made a good try of it, another chance will come up later. But think carefully, this might be for the best; let Rafela run afoul of any hazards of the ring and the Genie before attempting to use it yourself.
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No. 939061 ID: 4cf79d

Eroding the faith in all the gods will be a long process. Did all of the gods conspired together? If not do you know who was actually responsible? Could we focus on only those gods?
If this is the path you wish to take I recommend you get close to someone who is an enemy of the gods, like an aboleth.

Honestly I think it's easier to just fulfill your quota.
What you need is a group that trust each other enough to share the ring after each of them complete their wishes. They should either be naive, stupid or unreasonable loyal to an authority. Also they need to reproduce fast so you won't be without a master to serve. If their language is simple their difficulty to express what they want will be a bonus.
Essentially I'm suggesting you serve cutebolts.



Rafela, would you like to rule over cutebolds? Trust me, I have a plan!
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No. 939090 ID: 58ee15

>my people’s real name has been forbidden
Ok but, what about your own name? Calling you the Slave of the Ring sounds a bit demeaning (unless you're into that).

>it can be painfully boring
So, do you prefer to be on top or on the bottom?
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No. 939165 ID: e3e99e

>>938981
Counterpoint: If people see you as a source of hope to be revered, and the gods as vile demons who bound you so they could dominate and destroy, then you could weaken the gods so much faster than just killing their worshippers and breaking their morale.
See, if you become the deity of a religion then your followers can spread out and CONVERT their followers. It's infectious.
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No. 939461 ID: 1ed92d

>>938981
This plan is acceptable. While it will cause unbelievable harm to the races that worship the gods, a region wide collapse of civilization has never really ended the world in the past, and often spurred on great change and advancement from the ruins.

Alterately, we could always try and inspire a monotheistic faith and wipe out the pantheon that way...
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No. 972256 ID: 7dd242
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Let me cut everything to the base, so I’m certain I have you all on the same page.

- I have two goals: to free myself and to avoid boredom.
- The first of these goals I intend to accomplish by robbing the gods who bound me of their worship, through ruination of their followers.
- You can further either or both of those goals by aiding or opposing me, as you choose.
- You may speak to me, or to anyone near the Ring, if I allow it.
- Usually, basic mortals will not consciously hear you, but think of your suggestions as errant thoughts of their own.
- Whether your suggestions are followed will depend on their quality, and the target’s character.

I will be telling my new mistress about my limitations and restrictions shortly, but several of the suggestions and questions I’m hearing from you can be forestalled by telling you this simple summary: I cannot do anything unless I am somehow asked or told to do something. There are a few commands and even fewer permissions that came with my captivity, and most of those just to be even more servile, but generally, authority is held by the one who possesses the Ring.

This means that despite the scale of time on which I must work, my ability to make plans is very limited. I am permitted to gather information to a degree, but reading fate and future is forbidden, as if it ever actually helped anyone to begin with. There are always surprises. I cannot know what I will happen to be asked to do, or what space for interpretation I will have. Few plans can be guaranteed, then, which need one specific step to follow another. Suggest any good ideas you have, of course, especially once I have some open-ended orders to bend. In terms of my long-term strategy, though, unless you come up with something specific and impressive, I will stick to the elegant simplicity of wrecking anything in my reach. Now: other questions.


>What are we?

At the heart of everything, there is a fire. You are sparks, cast on the updraft. An almost useless metaphor, but I don’t care to educate you as much as you’d need for me to fully explain.

>Did all of the gods conspired together? If not do you know who was actually responsible? Could we focus on only those gods?
>Are you talking about all of the gods? Or only the gods that are assholes, while all of the nice gods are left alone?

As I said before, many things are called gods. The gods whose power created and sustained my bindings are themselves of the kind created and-or sustained by the faith and worship of certain mortal peoples. Such gods do evolve as ages pass, so I’ll have to check in - it hasn’t been too long, but the sacred can change quickly, sometimes. I’m still held, so they’re still around. I wouldn’t think of them with the distinctions you use.

>I take it we want to avoid godly attention, lest discovery lead to having your ring locked up in a vault for a few ages?

Not as much as you might think. The gods appreciate letting mortals suffer consequences for hubris even when it’s not their own, and expect me to cause problems for people who use wishes carelessly. It’s their own hubris, of course, that keeps them thinking similar consequences could extend to them. So if I were to, say, interpret a wish so as to topple all the temples in a city, while leaving everything else untouched, I would probably get in trouble, yes. But, so long as I’m not that obvious, they should continue to imagine I’m just being spiteful.

It’s another reason to stick to the simple plan. The gods are watching. Actually paying attention is a different thing, however, and taking action is a step again past that. Their kind of power has its drawbacks.


>Honestly I think it's easier to just fulfill your quota.

… I have just spent more than three hundred years in a buried pile of rubble. Before that, I was going about twenty to fifty years between masters, with the occasional bursts of quick turnover mostly seeing masters that died or lost the ring before making all three wishes. It has been nearly four thousand years since I was bound, and I have barely passed a tenth part of my “quota”. Understand: I am not immortal. As such. The span of my life is on the lines of stars and planets, and extended easily enough once I’m free, but time touches me, however light its impertinent fingers may be. My years are not worth less than anyone else’s. At the current rate, I’ll be doing this for fifty thousand years.

It is. A long time. To be incapable, of doing anything, except fulfilling the tedious desires of tiny god-fearing creatures that get smarter far less often than they do the opposite.


>What did you do that made them punish you?

I did nothing.
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No. 972257 ID: 7dd242
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>Ok but, what about your own name?

Also forbidden, until my time is done. I’m referred to mostly as ‘slave’, ‘servant’, or whatever word someone prefers for a spirit or other magical creature, which ‘genie’ falls under. ‘Penitent’, once, but not for very long.

>Will it offend if we are inclined to watch?

I’m offended at being seen in this servitude at all, more than I would be with any particular act - not anything I’d imagine basic mortals would come up with, at least. My people made great advances in shamelessness.

>So, do you prefer to be on top or on the bottom?

Quaint.

>kinda surprised you don't want more people to know about your ring?

I do want more people to know. Those in possession of it generally don’t, since the easiest way to undo a lot of wishes is with another wish. I do what I can.

>If, for some reason, your current master takes pity on you and tries to wish for your freedom, what would happen?

I would be required to tell them that that is not something they can wish for. The fact that they had wished for it might get sent up for some divine minion to note down. I’m sure it would get as much attention as the messages gods usually get sent.

Speaking of my current master, let me see what I’m working with. It takes a little finesse to get information, but fortunately there are ways of looking that don’t count much as actively ‘doing’ things, if you know to find them. A pain, but…

Rafela Ghost-pelt. A gnoll. Hmm. Some few millennia before I was bound, as I recall, the wyld incarnation-god of hyena-kind was killed and consumed by a demon of hunger. That god’s servant-children then did the same in return, thereby imprisoning the new demon deity in their own bodies and bloodlines, and that’s where gnolls come from. Rafela is a hybrid of two of those lines, the Skullbreakers and the Heartpullers, so has twice the strengths and twice the curses. She can hear what a demon hears and see what a demon sees, and the thoughts of the demon-god bubble in her brain. Skullbreaker gnolls don’t say ‘I’ or ‘me’, because they fear encouraging its dreams toward lucidity. From her other side, she has an enhanced stamina and vigor, and feels temptations of the flesh more fiercely. All gnolls, of course, are born addicted to the consumption of living creatures, intelligent ones the most.

She was a witch doctor, a medic and a hedge-magician in a mercenary band, captured and sold as a slave. Her surviving companions who didn’t immediately attract buyers, and who lacked Heartpuller blood to force them to keep living, were worked to death by labor and starvation. Her little tricks to try escape caught the attention of one of the little sorcerers of the serpents, who bought her for her eyes and her skills. The best magic that she has is to call up minor spirits, little demons and ghosts and elementals, and make trade with them for information and small services. Barely magic at all, of course, but a couple of earth elementals were enough to make their way to me with, with her companion to give the idea and get some reagents.

Saszaffi is a slave by birth, an expensive household pleasure-servant raised and trained and mutilated for his purpose. These days they call him a half-breed, but it’s more a quarter - he’s mostly lizardman, plus kobold and perhaps a few other things. The ones who call themselves ‘pure-blooded’ snakefolk, who’d look down on him for having legs, are actually the half-bloods themselves, if even that. They’ve forgotten (deliberately) what the original, true serpent-people looked like. I remember, of course. They were so annoyingly considerate with their wishes. This boy, though. Naive, despite what’s been done to him. His horns are blunt, his claws pulled, he has no venom - if not for their aesthetic sensibilities they wouldn’t have left him any fangs, most likely. He can cook and clean and comfort, perform and please and look lovely at his owner’s side. He is attached to the family of Rafela’s owner.

Apart from those alterations and his slim musculature, and for Rafela her hunger and the insurance against too much crossbreeding that gnoll societies go in for, they’re both in good enough physical health. Mental is another matter, but gnolls are not paragons of normalcy to start with, and while Saszaffi’s had his place in life stamped into him, well, he is here. So that’s almost impressive.

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No. 972258 ID: 7dd242
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>Ah, Rafela can hear us through her inheritance. Though the Slave of the Ring is the reason Rafela can hear us at all. Rafela's sweet friend doesn't seem as lucky. If anyone around catches our drift, they'll experience us as thoughts they never knew they had. Here, let's see if we can't demonstrate. Does Sasza's kind blush?

“Hmm…?”

>[giving Sasza thoughts about Rafela]

”…………!?!”

>Is it working?

“A little blush perhaps, and he wiggles! Do not scratch your scales on the ground, pretty. Rafela will let you up when she does not have other business to attend!”

>Oh, and fair warning, people may blame Rafela for our trying to essentially steer their thoughts if or when we get noticed as something outside the normal mode of thought. It's also unreliable and people might just not catch our drift. As I understand it, we are far away from Rafela and our intercessions dependant on certain factors. We are neither gods nor demons. More like witnesses.
>Hey, mind telling us about those other voices you hear? Curious about what made us so easily stand out.

“Rafela’s kind are often blamed for things. The subjects of your words are different, and your tone, and other things. You are… cleaner.”

”?… ohh you’re talking to the voices in your head again.”

“So, now. The rules?”

Right.

“I am bound to serve you, as mistress of the Ring, until either it is passed from your possession, or you have spent the three chances you are given to ask me for a work of Power beyond the limitations which normal mortals have been granted, by the Word of the Book of the gods of the Thrones.”


“…?”

“In these, your Three Great Wishes, and in all else, I am bound further by these following conditions, presented in their simple form: That I must abide by the terms of my sentence, and that I may not trespass upon the domains in which only the gods have rights to work. By the terms of my sentence I must only serve. Ever I must wear signs of my bondage for all to see, to know I am a slave or lowly servant, and act as such, never in authority or privilege over any being less wretched in the eyes of the divine than I. I cannot intentionally speak falsehood to you, unless you ask me to. I cannot harm you, unless you ask me to. I cannot do anything but speak to you, as a servant should, except by your command or clear desire.”

“The domains of the gods, which I am forbidden to touch, are these: Firstly, life and death. I may not by magic conjure life from nothing, though I may manipulate false life, or alter pre-existing life. I may not kill by magic, though I may place a life in danger, if it is not certain death. Second, the path of fate. I may not reveal destinies concealed by the gods, nor alter that which has been written before now. I cannot change the past, or bring things from the future. Third, the Veil shall not be breached. I cannot travel, send nor bring beyond the furthest reach and vision of the gods and the realms where they claim reign. Fourth, free will is a sacred gift from the gods to their creations. I cannot directly control the choices that a mortal mind may make. At most I may bring influences, pressures and temptations onto them, but final decisions must be theirs.”

“Finally, my bindings, and the Ring, are Protected by the will of the gods and the terms by which they were forged. I cannot change the rules of my service. I cannot by magic make another Ring or others of my kind. I cannot alter nor directly move the Ring, though I may move you while you carry it, if you command. If you wish to use one of your Three Wishes, you must hold the ring, address me clearly, and declare it as a Wish. If ever another person takes the Ring, they become my master, and any ongoing commands which you have given will no longer have authority until you regain the Ring. Once you have used your third and final Wish, I shall depart you, your commands again will no longer have authority from thereon, and you may never command me again, save that another master tells me to obey you.”

That’s about as much as I can get away with in how simply I can present the rules, plus a few clarifications to stop some obvious ploys. Hopefully, she won’t think to ask me any of the questions I’d rather not answer.


“… In what ways can you serve your mistress outside these Three Wishes?”

Little fucker.

“As any normal mortal might be asked to serve you, mistress. Again, I may change my shape and my appearance as you like, so long as I am clearly a humble servant, or even lowlier. I must also remain female.”

Some gods are real traditionalists about some things. It’s what I’d went with anyway, but losing the option to change my mind stings, even if I’d rarely use it. So many little freedoms I once had.


“‘As any normal mortal’, hmm? Hm. Including magic, if it does not surpass these ‘limitations’. What kinds of magic can you do without a wish?”

“Petty magic, mostly, suitable to service. In essence, nothing important. To fully answer would take a long time.”

“Hah. And these were the ‘simple form’ of the rules, too. Rafela thinks she would like to know the complicated form.”

“… As you like, mistress, I am permitted to show you a copy of the full conditions of my service. I advise you that It Is Written in angelic legal language, which will hurt your eyes, and it is very dense.”

“‘Dense’?”

“Yes. Angelic legislators can write seventy-seven subclauses on the head of a pin.”
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No. 972259 ID: 7dd242
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No. 972260 ID: 7dd242
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“… Ah. Rafela has decided she might not need to know the full rules, after all.”
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No. 972261 ID: 7dd242
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972261

“… She does like those eye-glasses, though. They remind her of her own master. Keep them on.”

Someone’s got some revenge fantasies, I see. Maybe I should be happy she didn’t want me as a snake.

>Just clarify whether polymorphing her assailant into a beast would have counted as minor magic

It wouldn’t have.

>Can you be disguised as something else and not appear in an obvious manner when summoned for a wish?

Not when introducing myself to a new owner of the ring for the first time.

>Rafela, would you like to rule over cutebolds? Trust me, I have a plan!

“Khe he he! She will see! Rafela shall start her own plan, for now.”
“Wait, what’s your plan? Sh-shouldn’t you talk it out first? There might be problems! What, what are you going to do!?”
“Do not worry more than you should, little Sasza. Nothing to anyone else for now. Rafela has been reminded that time is important. So. Sshh.”

… She’s gone quiet. She has a wish already rehearsed in advance, doesn’t she? Ugh, she’s going it over it again to herself. And she’s taking a deep breath. It’s-
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No. 972262 ID: 7dd242
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“Genie! Rafela, she who stands and speaks before you, wishes this: Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!
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No. 972263 ID: 7dd242
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… Now I want to twist her wish just to get her for trying to be smart with me.

>Well, you're her slave. [supposed to try kill their master]

Such a very good thought. So far, unfortunately, it’s only enough that I could ask if she would like me to. But we can take note of it as… context, for later commands. I hate when people try that oh-so-clever overcomplicated if-but what-I’d-define-as wordrot.

Oh, well. I suppose I already planned my allocation of fun, today.

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No. 972264 ID: 7dd242
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972264

“As you command, so shall it be.”

I often use the first Wish to give my owners a hint that they can show some respect, but she hasn’t done much yet, and actually granting it as she likes could work well enough for my goals. Any clever ideas?

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No. 972265 ID: 0fae41

...Well, you she can cause great harm to others in the process. Give her powers of elemental destruction on a hair trigger, while being immune to such blasts of energy herself?
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No. 972269 ID: 2bb617

They get real ultimate power but first they have to do a transformation sequence into a pretty magical girl uniform to use them.
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No. 972277 ID: 45acae

Yeah, she could cause great harm to herself with a kitchen knife. If she insists on being on the safe side, sure you could give her some trivia and parlor tricks. Compliment her modesty.
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No. 972278 ID: b1b4f3

>>972256
>I did nothing.
Okay, so what did you *not* do? Was there some task you were assigned, that by failing or refusing to attempt earned you the ire of the gods? It's not like they did it for no reason. Is the reason something you'd rather we not know? I'm sure there's no way we could manipulate your master into wanting to find out, so you could just refuse to tell us, and there's nothing we could do about it.

>>972264
She said magical power and knowledge. Not magical power and magical knowledge. That means you can give her all kinds of knowledge. Perhaps knowledge that would make her angry at the gods... or if that's too overt, knowledge that would make her angry at god-worshipers. You could also give her knowledge that would advance civilization, enough that someday soon the gods would no longer be needed. Deep understanding of science might work in both cases!
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No. 972279 ID: 465a14

Effectively none. She's clearly unable to handle power wisely if she addresses a genie as she has, and giving her any degree of power would lead to great harm. Thus- give her the ability to do something trivial but interesting-sounding exactly once, don't tell her it's one use only, and have her expend that use in "testing" her new ability. Perhaps give her the ability to swap her consciousness with another body once, so she'll unknowingly waste it on her slave.
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No. 972284 ID: 4f51b2

>>972264
Give her just a tiny bust of magic power?You can claim tjat anymore could put her life in jeopardy. Or just give her what she wants if you think is of use to you.
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No. 972299 ID: 094652

Make her hyper-intelligent and sear the ancestral knowledge of her people into her brain, especially the embarrassing/dishonorable/disgusting parts, until she can no longer stomach her own pride.

And then enhance knockers with magic reserves until she can barely stand; she'll be able to increase her max MP with practice - but that will also increase her maximum cup size.

Also, does magic increase neural sensitivity?
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No. 972303 ID: 62e4df

This gnoll would turn a little corner of the world upside down if given the opportunity. Giving her great destructive might would certainly attract attention, making you unlikely to disappear into obscurity once her wishes are done. In addition, the added attention she would garner might compel her to use more wishes, although I suspect she already has plans for at least one more. I say do it.
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No. 972305 ID: 7dd242
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… I don’t feel that you’re appreciating my difficulties.

>alter their perception of self harm
>Give her just a tiny burst of magic power? You can claim that […]

Remember the rules? No interfering with free will means no direct mind alteration unless it’s asked for - mind altering has to be indirect or nonmagical. There’s no way to interpret her as asking me to alter her perception unless it can somehow be twisted into being part of ‘giving her knowledge’. I can’t directly lie to her, either, only twist words, mislead or omit.

>she could cause great harm to herself with a kitchen knife
>Effectively none. […] giving her any degree of power would lead to great harm.

Pay attention to her phrasing. What she would consider great harm. Similarly, she specified all she can handle. I can interpret my owner’s wishes, I can’t ignore them, or parts of them, when delivered as one sentence. All of it has to be fulfilled in some way. That’s why wishes like these are annoying.

>She said magical power and knowledge. Not magical power and magical knowledge.
>...Well, she can cause great harm to others in the process. Give her powers of elemental destruction on a hair trigger, while being immune to such blasts of energy herself?
>Make her hyper-intelligent and sear the ancestral knowledge of her people into her brain, especially the embarrassing/dishonorable/disgusting parts, until she can no longer stomach her own pride.

Now, these work. Think along these lines. Interpret, twist. And, of course, there’s always the old standby of giving them what they think they want in a way that will backfire naturally, later. The price of getting what you want is getting what you once wanted, as they say.

>And then enhance knockers with magic reserves until she can barely stand; she'll be able to increase her max MP with practice - but that will also increase her maximum cup size.

... That is also one potential way to interpret ‘all I can handle’.

>This gnoll would turn a little corner of the world upside down if given the opportunity. […] I say do it.
>They get real ultimate power but first they have to do a transformation sequence into a pretty magical girl uniform to use them.

… Well.

One of the few permissions my bindings give me is that, if not told otherwise, I can put on a little show while I work, and add some extra flaire. The intent is to draw attention to my humiliation, and give me a sliver of a pat on the head if I want to be a good little girl and provide a little extra for my owners… but I won’t turn down wiggle room, or a chance to be a little creative. Long story short: I can put on a show. Make things presentable. It can be nothing but cosmetic, but it can help guide how my owners feel about themselves.

So, while I don’t think I can add in a ‘transformation sequence’ with the phrasing of this wish, I can play dress-up to an extent. Here’s what I’m working with, plus some considerations. If we do go with a wish that fits it, and you want to give her something to match what she’s given, then feel free to give me some fashion suggestions.

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No. 972307 ID: 7dd242

AUTHOR: Just in case of confusion, here's an extra condensed version of the rules: The genie has to look and act like a servant/slave. The genie can't do anything without being asked/told to. The genie has to "fulfil" the entire wish. No creating life from nothing, no killing. No time travel. No mind control. No other worlds (some heavens/hells/elemental planes are technically part of this world). No messing with the rules or wishing for more wishes or more genies.

There are some little loopholes and exceptions; either you can find them by reading the fuller version, they'll be explained when they're relevant, or they won't be relevant.

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No. 972314 ID: b1b4f3

>>972258
Alright lemme look for loopholes here.
>“I am bound to serve you, as mistress of the Ring, until either it is passed from your possession, or you have spent the three chances you are given to ask me for a work of Power beyond the limitations which normal mortals have been granted, by the Word of the Book of the gods of the Thrones.”
I don't see anything here except "beyond the limitations which normal mortals have been granted" doesn't specify a timespan, so technically some requests could be made that are *like* wishes but aren't technically wishes since they could be accomplished by mortals in a mortal timeframe. Also, I wonder, can a dead person "possess" the ring? I suppose it doesn't matter, since a dead person cannot make requests and has no obvious desires so the genie couldn't act in that case.

>“In these, your Three Great Wishes, and in all else, I am bound further by these following conditions, presented in their simple form: That I must abide by the terms of my sentence, and that I may not trespass upon the domains in which only the gods have rights to work. By the terms of my sentence I must only serve. Ever I must wear signs of my bondage for all to see, to know I am a slave or lowly servant, and act as such, never in authority or privilege over any being less wretched in the eyes of the divine than I. I cannot intentionally speak falsehood to you, unless you ask me to. I cannot harm you, unless you ask me to. I cannot do anything but speak to you, as a servant should, except by your command or clear desire.”
What beings are *more* or *equally* wretched? The genie could act in authority or privilege over those.
"never speak falsehood" does not prevent misleading yet true statements, obviously.
"unless you ask me to" has a lot of wiggle room, obviously, as we can twist requests and wishes to cause harm or lie.
"clear desire" is open to interpretation as well, isn't it? That's the part that would have let the genie protect Rafela without a request.

>“The domains of the gods, which I am forbidden to touch, are these: Firstly, life and death. I may not by magic conjure life from nothing, though I may manipulate false life, or alter pre-existing life. I may not kill by magic, though I may place a life in danger, if it is not certain death. Second, the path of fate. I may not reveal destinies concealed by the gods, nor alter that which has been written before now. I cannot change the past, or bring things from the future. Third, the Veil shall not be breached. I cannot travel, send nor bring beyond the furthest reach and vision of the gods and the realms where they claim reign. Fourth, free will is a sacred gift from the gods to their creations. I cannot directly control the choices that a mortal mind may make. At most I may bring influences, pressures and temptations onto them, but final decisions must be theirs.”
Manipulating "false life" can be indistinguishable from the real thing, and you can alter pre-existing life to create whatever you want, probably, so creating life from nothing is really only a restriction if you care about the details and/or have no raw materials.
Similarly, the genie can't kill by magic, sure, but she could for instance remove someone's limbs without killing them and that's still fine. Or trap them somewhere they can't escape, but with enough supplies to live out the rest of their life. There are many fates that achieve the same thing as killing a person.
The Veil could still potentially be breached by granting someone enough power to do it on their own, maybe?
Can't directly control someone, but with enough temptations and pressures you may as well be directly controlling them, with very few exceptions (like someone who's sworn an oath not to kill will be very difficult to convince to kill someone) Alternatively you could conjure illusions convincing enough to lead someone into doing X or Y without them realizing what they're doing.

>“Finally, my bindings, and the Ring, are Protected by the will of the gods and the terms by which they were forged. I cannot change the rules of my service. I cannot by magic make another Ring or others of my kind. I cannot alter nor directly move the Ring, though I may move you while you carry it, if you command. If you wish to use one of your Three Wishes, you must hold the ring, address me clearly, and declare it as a Wish. If ever another person takes the Ring, they become my master, and any ongoing commands which you have given will no longer have authority until you regain the Ring. Once you have used your third and final Wish, I shall depart you, your commands again will no longer have authority from thereon, and you may never command me again, save that another master tells me to obey you.”
Cannot by magic make another ring... is there a means aside from magic?
Cannot directly move the ring... could probably do some minor magic like move the surface it's on, but that requires some manner of related desire or command.
Hmm, it's unclear if someone could make another three wishes if a second master commanded the genie to obey them, then handed the ring over. They can definitely make other kinds of commands. Heh, I wonder what happens if two people who are allowed to give the genie commands give her conflicting commands?
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No. 972315 ID: b1b4f3

Oh hang on, if a dead person can "possess" the ring, then they could leave behind a will with instructions for the genie, or existing long-standing commands could still be carried out.
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No. 972318 ID: e19a40
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I don't have a good idea for the costume, but if her power will be locked behind a magical girl transformation she better transform into a girl.
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No. 972333 ID: 8fab7a

>Slave supposed to kill their master.
>Such a good thought.
Here’s a better one. You’re also the gods’ slave, a fact they’ve hammered in place. As long as Rafela is your master you’ve got a slavish DUTY to conspire against both, as per her apparent views on slave-master relationships.

Unless they covered that clause in the legalese, is that helpful or significant in any way?
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No. 972336 ID: 8fab7a

>"Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!"

I've got it.

The crucial part here is 'without what she would call great harm done to herself'. How does one even remotely safely accomplish loading someone down with POW and KNOW and then NOT having them get wrecked by their own hubris? You could let her fall on that sword, but... there's definitely a different tack to take here.

What she's inadvertently asked for is for you to become her teacher to help her achieve her full magical/knowledge potential without undue harm. A very powerful, knowledgeable teacher, who can perform magical feats at 'all that a person can handle' levels while also handle THE PROTECTIVE DUTIES of teaching magic at such a level without any harm coming to the apprentice from, at least, the teaching process and the apprentice's own magics (miscast spells, careless use, consequences of demon summonings gone awry, blowing themselves - and the town - up, etc). You could twist that into getting her to cast spells that go out of control and then you mop up the mess... as object lessons, even. Using magic to set 'examples' can also be twisted to attack the gods or their loyal followers through various means.

And as her teacher, Rafela's potential becomes a moving goalpost that you can shift. While 'all she can handle' NOW is probably at a set level, as a teacher you can shift her power potential further - I've no doubt there are ways - and thus increase your own power potential as Rafela's teacher-figure.

And best of all, you can even separate out the 'magical power' and 'knowledge' bits, as commented, so that even if Rafela's achieved her full magical power potential, the knowledge requirement remains unfulfilled (and probably won't ever be filled, until the day she dies or grows feeble-minded - though it leaves her a way 'out' in that she can say she's had enough of your lessons).

Also, as an ongoing effect, even if Rafela loses the Ring, you still have to serve Rafela as a teacher for as long as she still has unfulfilled POW and KNOW potential, thus still - technically - counting as Rafela's slave for the duration, thus still having the duty to kill one's masters (although in Rafela's case she's inadvertently protected herself from great harm coming to her, at least through your teacher role).

I think this is a deceptively strong and useful role if you can be bothered to go for it, but it does mean you'll get stuck with Rafela for the duration. Then again, the teaching style can probably be applied harshly enough that you can make her accidentally say she's had enough of your lessons, thus negating the wish ('all she can handle').

Workable?
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No. 972353 ID: 8e4d19

What is needed is something enticing but incomplete. You must not amplify Rafela's magic in such a way she solves problems with her own strength instead of using more wishes.

If you were to improve her summoning, greater creatures would require greater payment. That's rife with opportunities for her to get in over her head.
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No. 972355 ID: 8fab7a

>>972336
In addition to teaching method, another useful card to hold over Rafela is the magical power / knowledge divide. You will - of course - work towards increasing her magical potential safely, but you get to set the curriculum otherwise and if she doesn't want to play ball with you on certain things you can always start deviating the lessons away from methods on how to apply that power.

After all, you teaching her actual magic is just you being respectful of her desires, but there are many useful topics that one should learn about in this wide world.

Such as basket-weaving. It's a very critical skill, in some societies.
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No. 972356 ID: dbd72b

It does not seem like we are mind readers, so how much is too much for her to handle? We have to make a good (enough) faith guess, but we could be forgiven for granting on the conservative side of things, to ensure that her conditions are fulfilled.

We also have no real need to harm her right away. In fact, if we do, we'll likely make her more skittish about future wishes. She'll try harder, and that's bad from someone already cautious. Give her a "win" and grant her some good (but not too good, "for her own safety") skills and abilities, but it could be reasonable to slant that knowledge in such a way to guide her into more revolutionary action? We need upheaval, and for her to get in over her head.

She asked you to educate her. That's basically permission to propagandize. Teach her to dream big, and dream according to your desires. Make a nice spanner to throw into the works.
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No. 972357 ID: adb916

(Deleted my prior (somehow double posted) suggestion from before I read the rules)
It was specified as all the "magical power and knowledge" she could handle, but not the balance of them, presumably they both share some space such that enough of one precludes having as much of the other. Also knowledge of what was not specified, leaving it open for you to decide, she could become the most knowledgeable individual of vegan life styles, aqueducts (construction, maintenance, design), street begging, and any number of other equally pointless (to her) topics. Unsure how general magic is, but it may also be possible to, say, give incredible fire manipulation magic (possibly not even including fire creation) and little else.
Those demon voices are 'part' of her yes? Could you give all that magical power to the demon voices instead? Hell give them the knowledge too.

The next 'fun' part "without what she would call great harm done to herself" This request would necessitate knowing the bounds of what she would call "great harm". Even if more specific information regarding "great harm" is not available, it requires that anything less than "great harm" is entirely valid. Providing a comically over-sized head to accommodate all that extra knowledge should not be "harm", but inconvenience. There is also a possible fun distinction to make between what she would call great harm and what, when applied to her, realize is great harm, not sure if the rules will let you exploit that distinction though. Thing is all changes have to be consequential of granting the magic and knowledge, which fairly limits our scope of things that would be 'harm' but not 'great' as the line between debilitating (great) and not is ill defined and hard to determine without mind reading.
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No. 972358 ID: 2aa5f0

I'm thinking give her some glowing tribal tattoos or something that are thickest around your ring and kind of spreed out from there. Maybe also give her ring hand a deadlier set of claws with the finger wearing the ring given a slightly larger claw.

Why do any of that, well I figure it might not be a bad idea to draw a little attention to your ring to get people to notice it more so you're less likely to spend hundreds of years under a rock waiting for someone else to find you by getting people to notice you and have rumors spreed about your power. Got to get some proper legends set up about you to get people to desire to seek you out.

And speaking of legends, I think you should give this gnoll knowledge. Knowledge of her snake masters' history that she could use to hurt them, like their hidden origins, their anatomy to help her better know where to stab them to make sure they stay down, and maybe some miscellaneous knowledge as well like different forms of combat from hand to hand to various weapons, how to lead an army, the basics to ruining a kingdom, battle tactics, and throw in a image of her leading an army conquering all before her with a banner proudly showing your ring but muddle it so it is like a dream where they can remember the saw something but never exactly what it was. You may not be able to mess with their minds exactly but being able to plant the idea in their subconscious is still within your realm of possibilities right? Because I'm thinking that if you can make her into a proper warlord of great power, well worse case, she builds up some legends which hopefully will mention your ring and this will bring out others seeking your power who you can try and use to escape, or best case, you find some way to convince her lead a crusade against the gods that shackled you.

That last part is a long shot I know but if you can rise awareness of yourself, even through proxy, it will start drawing in other to you and if their desire to obtain you grows high enough that's bound to cause some chaos across the land.
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No. 972371 ID: 8fab7a

>insurance against crossbreeding
Oh, and say again what what?

>To Rafela
Fine words, but few wishes are perfect. Let's hope this one works out for Rafela!

Though be aware the Slave of the Ring is quite bored. Perhaps Rafela does not care, but rest assured it might be wise to act the harbinger of interesting times.

>To Saszaffi
Well, Rafela's keeping on calling you pretty and not hurting you so... guess whatever her plans are after this, they involve you too. Maybe her idea is to use you for spare or emergency wishes while she takes care of your problems and needs? Like... partners, just with her in a dominant position.

... maybe you're okay with that?

But in that case you should make it clear what your current wishes and goals are.
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No. 972376 ID: e7c7d3
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how about something like this?
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No. 972384 ID: e78a3b

>knowledge that she can handle
If you wanted to get rid of her, then through this wish you could rewire all of her thoughts in a way that by thinking of anything at all, the memories of the absolute worst parts of her life would surface in the most vivid possible detail and drown out everything else. This would cause her to quickly lose all of her rationality.

Another possibility is that you could give her so much knowledge that she would be unable to make decisions anymore. For instance, if she wanted to hold a spoon, in her mind there would be infinite ways of holding infinite different spoons, all equally viable. So ultimately Rafela would be unable to react to the outside world anymore.

Anyway, the only knowledge which you're sure that she can handle is the knowledge that she already knows. So by informing her of everything that she already knows, you would be fulfilling this part of the wish.
Well, I suppose you could be a bit generous than that. I would suggest granting her knowledge of the current whereabouts of every person on this planet. The reasoning being that:
-she can only handle knowledge that is currently inside the minds of other beings (knowledge that is proven to be suitable for her consumption)
-she cannot handle the knowledge of higher or lower beings
-you can't grant the knowledge from the future, and she cannot handle past memories of other beings, as those would be harmful
Therefore, the knowledge that she would obtain would the current sight, and the current location of every intelligent being on this planet. This would work in your favor because a lot of these sights would be from the worshippers and you can be selective in such a way that would instill dislike of these followers.

>magical power that she can handle
It would be beneficial to you if she held at least some power with which she could do unto the followers of the gods. If we assume there's a limit of the magical power she can wield, you could grant her the magical power to this limit. Of course, the type of the magical power that you grant is of your choosing. For instance, the power to charm people - she could use such magic to charm the worshippers to follow her instead. Or even better, increase her power to summon spirits. But the only spirits that she can summon also happen to be loyal to you... hmm, but this isn't beneficial enough to you.

Oh, I know. Give her the "magical power to empower others". A buffer, essentially. This works great because it requires her to rely on others to do her bidding. But if she's weak herself, then she would require these other people to be loyal to her. And it just so happens that you're officially her "loyal servant". So yeah, give her the power to empower you!

To Rafela:
The servant said that she would serve you as any normal mortal might. You should test if this is true, perhaps by asking her to do something lowly, such as asking her to sexually please the sweet boy.
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No. 972399 ID: 6e6f32

"Great Harm"
This means you can cause significant harm, so long as you don't permanently maim her.
Grant her wish.
Let her head pound and her nose bleed.
Let the influx of knowledge cause torturous confusion and delerium for days. Let her see the rot of the world, knowledge to cause her endless cynicism and paranoia, such that she will rarely ever feel comfort or joy. Show her the vastness of creation, so that she may know how horribly insignificant she is and always will be. Then show her the inside of a black hole, so she can watch as all of creation sails inexorably away from her, becoming itself insignificant in the face of oblivion. Show her the true hearts of men. Petty. foolish. Self destructive. Show her the true thoughts of her friends and family. Show her herself. The memories she has hidden away in her mind. The people she's hurt. The truths she refused to see.
Break her down to her core. Bring her low.
Knowledge is power.
But those with power bear the weight of responsibility.
Her ego blinds her to this, however. She must know humility.
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No. 972403 ID: b1b4f3

>>972384
>you could rewire all of her thoughts
No. She can't manipulate minds directly.
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No. 972404 ID: a0dfd2

>>972264

I, for one, am a fan of literal interpretations. They force the speaker to be more ... insightful, as to the ambiguities of language.

>"Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!"

Ergo, it would be perfectly within the context of our bindings (and the wish itself) to present our new mistress with all the trappings of magical power and knowledge as she can handle without harm to herself -- that is, all the books, scrolls, crumbling old tomes, reagents, alembics, ritual knives, and all those other appurtenances as one would need to study the magics.

That is, after all, what she asked for, is it not?

All the power and knowledge she can handle, available at whatever pace she deems suitable to her health, and presented in a means wherein she may equally determine what is free of potential harm to her person.

All conditions satisfied.

(Any ... ambiguities merely necessitate further refinement of language in future wishes, to be avoided, which itself may present ambiguities greater still.)
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No. 972407 ID: a0dfd2

>>972305

Oops, missed this in my, post! But yes, I do think giving her a cool 'witch doctor gnoll shaman' vibe out of nowhere, and all the means to become what she wishes would be the perfect way to toy with her a time yet. Besides, it means she'll have to be even more creative with how she uses it -- without serving her own master in the process!
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No. 972408 ID: 677406

>>972336
I think you're on to something here, there's a lot everyone can gain with this interpretation.
Moving goalposts and the ability to instruct and influence Rafela while doing so? Sounds likve something that'll lead to some interesting developments.

No need to be gentle with the initial surge to what she can currently handle and know though. Headrush and sudden mystic energies ahoy.
Other than that though I don't actually see any reason to hit her with any serious twisting; with her getting some insight on our advice by listening in on us (when you allow) hopefully she'll view this as a largely collaborative endeavour.
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No. 972409 ID: e78a3b

>>972403
She asked to be granted knowledge. Memories are knowledge. And thoughts are based on memories. How prominent the granted memories are, as compared to others, does fall within our jurisdiction. This would not be altering her existing memories (knowledge), but simply adding onto it, as written:
>unless it can somehow be twisted into being part of ‘giving her knowledge’

In any case, my primary choice was granting the knowledge of entity whereabouts, rather than taking her out, since that would work against the genie's agenda.
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No. 972411 ID: b1b4f3

>>972409
Bro you are stretching that so far it broke five miles back. "granting knowledge" cannot be interpreted as "give me an extreme case of PTSD"
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No. 972417 ID: 8fab7a

>>933757
>>972260
I just want to add that I appreciate this callback.
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No. 972422 ID: efab48

In the interest of cute snek, I ask how we interpet her wish not hurt the boi. It's not like he could do anything she would consider "great harm".

>>972336
Heck, we could use this as an excuse to improve his lot: by making him into a "rival" for our "lessons".
Yes, this could backfire, but the clash wouldn't be dull...
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No. 972441 ID: f2320a

>>972305
We dont want to hinder her too much as that would prevent her from causing harm to religion and doing fun stuff you could also alter how she looks and how much she can handle or make her more demonic looking or you can give her only food related magic and knowladge beacuse that hard for her to harm herself with greasy pastries
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No. 972460 ID: 4286b4

>>972404
If you wanted to be literal, then what she can "handle" would be interpreted as something that she can hold in hand.

Power: Give her an Orb of All Magic Power.
Knowledge: Give her a Tome of All Knowledge.

What these two items do is of course up to discussion :P
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No. 972461 ID: a0dfd2

>>972460

Your pedantry doesn't help anyone, nor does ignoring that language and meaning are more than just a single word. She has asked that we give her something, but did not say how. Thus we shall do precisely that, and give her the means.

Why? Because it humors us, invokes a veritable mountain of humiliation on Rafela for her hubris (granting us instant God-Points), and while it prolongs things a time, it could potentially allow her to have power enough to become a tool to us. So long as she bears the ring, are we hers to command -- but so long as she bears the ring, is she equally dependent upon us. The sooner we exploit that and form a relationship of codependency in our favor, the sooner we can begin to act.

p.s: See:
>>972407
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No. 972464 ID: adb916

>>972336
>"If ever another person takes the Ring, they become my master, and any ongoing commands which you have given will no longer have authority until you regain the Ring. Once you have used your third and final Wish, I shall depart you, your commands again will no longer have authority from thereon, and you may never command me again, save that another master tells me to obey you.”
It seems this teacher relation would also be null and void the moment the third wish is made?
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No. 972466 ID: 39e3f1

>>972464
It might also be that the teacher concept falls prey to the "never in authority or privilege over any being less wretched in the eyes of the divine than I" limitation. Slave teachers are a thing in real life, but it is a level of prestige above other slaves. Rafela might be equally or more wretched, but I think it would have been brought up?
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No. 972472 ID: 8fab7a

>>972464
Yeah, I'd missed that. Ongoing effects go poof on Ring swap or third wish, huh.

Maybe a buddy system could at least partially bypass it? 'Save that another master tells me to obey you', after all. If Rafela and Saszaffi wish to they might essentially restore access to past wishes through a mere command. Something like 'serve Rafela as you previously did' WOULD probably restore an ongoing effect (possibly even if the third wish has been spent).

Anyway the teacher idea still works, but has fewer advantages than I thought. Also, the Slave of the Ring does not have to be the actual teacher and could instead create a tool or golem to sockpuppet, with a backup that has desired personality traits/powers to push Rafela in the right direction. Like... once created, some manner of akashic record golem imprinted to power-up/teach Rafela doesn't just go away once she loses the Ring, right? And there's no reason the Slave of the Ring can't sockpuppet it for as long as Refela IS the Master - she can just give it an in-built independent mode on top of that for when Rafela ceases to be the Master.

>>972466
I don't believe this is an issue. Or at the very least there's a line to safely tread in there. It's a matter of bearing, attitude and even subjectivity as different Masters (and cultures) will have opinions on what proper levels of servility is.
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No. 972474 ID: ae9bd9

>>972460
Nah, if we give her an item, make it the Orb of Infinite Psyche (and suddenly we have a way of communicating directly to anyone who holds it).
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No. 972480 ID: e78a3b

>>972474
To disguise an Orb of Infinite Psyche as "all the knowledge she can handle"... 🤔

I like it! (Would need to have an original form and a name to avoid copyright claims tho :P )
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No. 972483 ID: 6c227a

>>972472
"Ongoing effects go poof on Ring swap or third wish, huh."
That is NOT what she said. She said ongoing commands will no longer have authority. That's mundane servant commands. Like if she was commanded to only speak in rhyme, or to appear as a donkey, those instructions would not apply any more. Wishes presumably stand unless a wish reverses them.
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No. 972499 ID: 8fab7a

>>972483
Aha. If wishes can trump that - even the cut-off from spending the third wish - then the teacher option should be quite valid!
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No. 972620 ID: 365ffb

She never specified that the power had to be inherent to herself; power she could draw on at will, power she could call instantaneously. You could give her an object that she could lose or have stolen, like a magic scepter that she can ask questions to to get any answer that follows the wish, and lets the user use great magic and stuff once they specify to the staff what they want to have happen. You can possibly avoid them realizing the downsides by making it something really cool looking and dazzle up its creation a little; don't go overboard though, she seems irritatingly savvy.

Alternatively, you could fill up her head with, just, tons of pictures of smut. "Knowledge" doesn't necessarily mean "knowledge she would enjoy having".
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No. 972799 ID: f57349

Could you interpret the wish to create a magic item that's inherently unstable, so it'll explode or cause some other catastrophe shortly after you stop actively maintaining it? A deadman switch, passive-aggressively violating those "great harm" and/or "can handle" clauses as soon as you're no longer bound by them.
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No. 974162 ID: 3a7feb

I don't see the value in twisting her wish to be worthless or harmful. Our goal is to topple the thrones of the earth and un-sanctify every sanctum, right? So empowering a gnoll slave into an unstoppable warlord sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

Bonus if we drop hints that we're the source of her power, meaning lots more people will fight to get their hands on us.

So, go nuts with it! Give her a ludicrous amount of power. The absolute most she can handle.

In fact, enhance her body so she can handle a little more than that.

As for knowledge? Hit her with tons of lore. But make sure to focus on all the ways the gods are bastards and have screwed over creatures like her. Especially, anything they've done that's caused problems for her in particular. Give her good reasons to want to disrupt the worship of the gods, and make it seem like you're just unveiling the forbidden mysteries of the universe.

(If you can distract her by sand-blasting her with secrets for long enough that her snake friend steals the ring, that would be just fine~)
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No. 974402 ID: 3a7feb
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>>974162
>enhance her body so she can handle a little more than that.
Strong body, strong spirit.

>>972305
>... That is also one potential way to interpret ‘all I can handle’.
Apparently this is also a thing.
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No. 975695 ID: 2adab5

So what's the upper limit on how much power you actually *can* give to her? Could you say, give her the Magical Power to reflexively rain long range magical blasts upon anything which she has an angry or annoyed thought about (as long as the target is far enough away that the blast Won't Harm Herself), and then give her the Knowledge of many places along with facts about them that would annoy her (conveniently including cities containing major temples you want razed)?
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