Creator 2013/04/13(Sat)14:16 No. 505570 ID: d6ae01
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We are trapped, our only view of world being this small pane of glass. A field of energy keeps us here, and we barely have enough strength to sustain ourselves. They have tried not to allow us enough energy to create. But we have a sliver built up, enough to make the smallest of life forms. Perhaps, it could be made to consume our captors and grow.

But it is of no use to us now, trapped as we are in this cage.

Creator 2013/04/13(Sat)14:16 No. 505571 ID: d6ae01
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We have a visitor. It looks at us with an unfamiliar expression.

"This isn't right. A pretty critter like you shouldn't be treated this way."

Can you communicate with it at all?

Ask why it cares if no one else seems to think so

Pretty?

Are you some kind of ethereal light show or are you an entity with anything approaching some kind of consistent form? SPIN CAMERA PLEASE

>Perhaps, it could be made to consume our captors and grow.
Wait, aren't your captors another of our one time creations? Do they deserve to be consumed just because they do not understand?

>>505570
The smallest of life forms? Like, a virus?

>>505571
Ask for help. Offer to help them in return, with whatever they want.

Look cute and harmless maybe he will let you go out of pity.

No murder yet. Then we'd be trapped foreva mon. Instead, make our eyes watery and quiver our lip analogue. We be out in zero time!

"I am Crittor."

Make a flower.

Creator 2013/04/14(Sun)16:34 No. 505754 ID: d6ae01
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>Can you communicate with it at all?
We understand their various languages. Communication can be... difficult, but it is within our power to do so.

>Ask why it cares if no one else seems to think so
We vibrate the air around us in an attempt to 'speak' to our visitor. "Why do you look upon us as you do? Do you sympathize with our plight? Why do you not loathe us as so many are wont to do?"

Its eyes widen. "What-- are you talking? Am I going crazy? are you psychic is it all in my head"

"It may be easiest to assume whatever answer you can most readily comprehend is true." We cannot help but suspect that it does not understand the nature of the universe very well.

"Uh... sorry, I was just-- psychic alien, man! Erm... look, I dunno the whole story, but don't you guys just make things or something? I dunno why everyone hates you for that. Um, sorry. I didn't mean to say it like that."

"It may not be the creations themselves that rile them, but the methods we use to produce them."

"What, do you things have a really gross mating ritual or something?" Its face changes. Confusion?

>Wait, aren't your captors another of our one time creations? Do they deserve to be consumed just because they do not understand?
We need energy to create, and to get this energy, we must consume. This may earn us scorn, but it is the natural way of things. We consume, craft the Ultimate Creation, and then we perish. An age passes and another comes along to consume what we created, and the cycle continues.

Our time had come, but they saw fit to prevent us from fulfilling our role.

We respond after much thought. "It is more complicated than that."

Creator 2013/04/14(Sun)16:34 No. 505755 ID: d6ae01
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>...make our eyes watery and quiver our lip analogue.
We... cannot.

>Look cute and harmless maybe he will let you go out of pity.
We do our best to look pleasant.

>Ask for help. Offer to help them in return, with whatever they want.
"We could be of mutual assistance to each other. If we were released, we could create something enjoyable for you."

"I dunno about that. What I want is... I guess mostly just someone to talk to. Nobody else on the ship likes me much, maybe 'cause I'm the only one of my kind here."

"It would seem we are alike in that regard, then."

Its vision turns to the door behind it, then returns to us as it speaks in a hushed tone. "Listen, I'd love to let you out, but they said to only do it when you required feeding, and even then we'd have to lock down the room and I think they'd yell at me again if I did that."

Creator 2013/04/14(Sun)16:34 No. 505756 ID: d6ae01
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>SPIN CAMERA PLEASE
Behind us we find only disappointment.

>>505756
So... you have to kill to create? Yeah, I can see why people wouldn't like that. Can you just... eat livestock to do that? Or do you have to consume thinking creatures to create useful things?

What is the Ultimate Creation, anyway?

Ask her how friendly she is with the others. If we were to escape, would she prefer we did not kill anyone? It will be much more difficult that way.

Well. You know, if giving you the freedom to creature would ensure their death, it kind of makes sense why your captors thought to lock you up.

Even if it goes against the natural order, or denies your purpose, they're only trying to protect themselves. It's understandable. Interesting that they chose to imprison you and feed you, though. It would be much safer to let you die. They're placing themselves at risk either for either moral reasons, or to attempt to study you.

>what do
I would suggest a slow approach. Our assigned 'keeper' is sympathetic. If we bide our time, we can build trust and eventually earn freedom through her. If we press too hard too soon, we will miss our opportunity.

Unless of course we're on a tight deadline here.

An inquiry. You claimed your actions were due to cosmic law of some kind. In what way does nature demand your actions? A long-term cycle as what you describe could scarcely have come about through the slow meandering of evolution, so why claim natural right if you were clearly created by some other mind?

>We need energy to create, and to get this energy, we must consume.
Apparently we need to consume life to create life, but life itself does not always work under that constraint. Have we considered creating something like a simple photosynthesizing replicator for our own consumption?

Don't push it much for now, take it slow and earn her trust.

She says she wants someone to talk to? Fine. Get her talking about something. Maybe ask about her circumstances or something. She said she's the only one of her kind here?

do you have to destroy to create, can't you just take something that exist already and just alter it in some way. like if you came across a planet that once was mostly forest but flooded for whatever reason could you not take a bird or something and replace it's wings with gills? I ask this because our 'friend' here might make for a good ally if we can get her to let us off this ship, and she has already given me an idea of how to 'improve' her. can you give something psych powers?

Creator 2013/04/15(Mon)21:16 No. 505997 ID: d6ae01
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>So... you have to kill to create? Yeah, I can see why people wouldn't like that. Can you just... eat livestock to do that? Or do you have to consume thinking creatures to create useful things?
We can create and consume mundane things like plants and animals, but the energy and potential is incomparable to that of sentient, sapient creatures.

>What is the Ultimate Creation, anyway?
A true masterpiece has many forms, but it is always something of great beauty that will bring awe to many.

We desire a planet, once barren, to be made full of life. We wish it filled with those who would enjoy the freedoms we are currently denied. If our race is to be eradicated, we would take solace in having at least made such a thing reality.

>Well. You know, if giving you the freedom to creature would ensure their death, it kind of makes sense why your captors thought to lock you up. 
We are not angered by what they've done. Their actions are natural, just as ours are.

>It would be much safer to let you die.
Their bureaucracy keeps us safe. They are transporting us to their homeworld so that their leaders can decide our fate. Why they endanger themselves by doing so is beyond our comprehension.

>Apparently we need to consume life to create life, but life itself does not always work under that constraint. Have we considered creating something like a simple photosynthesizing replicator for our own consumption?
Our creations are no different than those forms of life which have arisen without a creator. They require food, they reproduce, they grow and evolve. Much like natural life, our creations would run out of food and die if we tried to grow them in this cage.

>Don't push it much for now, take it slow and earn her trust.
"We will not ask you to endanger yourself for us. For now, we will seek only your company."

It looks more relaxed.

Creator 2013/04/15(Mon)21:17 No. 505998 ID: d6ae01
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>She says she wants someone to talk to? Fine. Get her talking about something. Maybe ask about her circumstances or something. She said she's the only one of her kind here?
"You make us curious. You are the first we've seen to look at us without scorn, and you seem unaware of our methods. Why is this? And for what reason are you the only one of your kind on this ship?"

"Well, um, they said they wanted someone you couldn't 'consume' to guard you, so they brought me and Nishalm along. Oh-- that reminds me. Nishalm's going to be here any moment, so um, we probably shouldn't talk much longer 'cause he-- she? um, they might get mad. But after they leave we can talk more if you want!

"But anyway, the thing is, my kind don't really go into the heavens. They showed up and said they'd give my tribe a lot of stuff if I went with them. Then they told me to replace my normal clothes with this thing. I don't like it much."

Their desperation must be great indeed if they had no choice but to collect this one. Considering we were mere moments from our Ultimate Creation, they must have felt a hint of tension. This also implies that this one and the 'Nishalm' are the only beings here that would be immune to our bacterial life-form. If we are indeed on a space vessel, and if it is indeed full of creations...

Creator 2013/04/15(Mon)21:17 No. 505999 ID: d6ae01
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...There may yet be hope for our masterpiece to come to fruition.

sweet... so what is our idea of a masterpiece anyway, or is it a make it up as you go sort of thing?

Also yeah we should probably not talk to anyone who isn't uh... what was this things name again, and for that matter is it male or female? anyway anything that isn't this one as it might throw a wrench into our plans of escape. just lesion and observe and we might find a way out of this thing yet, just encase our 'befriend the only nice person and get them to let us out' plan doesn't work out.

>>505999
I am betting that Nishalm will not be sympathetic to us. If we are to escape, we will have to fight them.

Well. We've spoken this long and have not gotten this one's name, nor given them ours. So let's do that, then we should be quiet.

>>506001
Yeah asking for a name and then letting them go defuse suspicions is probably a good move.

Hmm. Any chance of some kind of compromise, like maybe if you were to consume those already on the edge of death, and continue this for a number of years, to build up energy?

>This also implies that this one and the 'Nishalm' are the only beings here that would be immune to our bacterial life-form.
...then this becomes simpler, doesn't it. You don't need to convince this creature to release you (which requires a slow buildup of trust, and getting her to consciously betray those she's working for).

All you need to do is make her a carrier.

>>506059
Agreed!

And when you can, inquire if she and Nishalm have access to the others/rest of the ship.

We are not going to murder anybody.

>>506224
We have a roughly 0% chance of getting out of here without killing people. We are definitely murdering everybody. Except for this one, I wager.

>>506224
>>506239
And even then we would probably need to kill some people to get enough power for building our precious planet...

Creator 2013/04/17(Wed)20:30 No. 506387 ID: d6ae01
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>sweet... so what is our idea of a masterpiece anyway, or is it a make it up as you go sort of thing? 
Our particular hope is to create a paradise world, but some do not decide upon their Ultimate Creation until the time has nearly passed. Some life forms become very peculiar for this reason. We admit we have only fared marginally better, as we are still not fully sure of what we wish to populate our world with.

>We are not going to murder anybody.
>Hmm. Any chance of some kind of compromise, like maybe if you were to consume those already on the edge of death, and continue this for a number of years, to build up energy?
A compromise might be acceptable, if not for our current predicament. If we do not consume and capture this ship, we will be executed.

>All you need to do is make her a carrier.
>inquire if she and Nishalm have access to the others/rest of the ship.
"If our time is short, then we shall be brief. Do you, or our would-be visitor, have access to places outside this chamber? Do you often see others, even in silence?"

She pauses in thought. "Um, there's a lot of places I'm not allowed to go, but I do see a lot of people walking around. There's a whole lot of people in the food place when the wall-voice tells me to eat!"

We struggle to believe our incredible luck. We have found the perfect plan for ensuing our success. All we need now is a way to safely come in contact with our would-be sympathizer.

Creator 2013/04/17(Wed)20:31 No. 506388 ID: d6ae01
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>NAME?
We do not place value in names or binary genders, but asking may help us appear friendly and familiar to this one.

"By what do the others refer to you?"

"Um... 'hey, you!' mostly..."

This information does not seem very valuable. "By what do you refer yourself?"

"Oh, my name? Why didn't you just say that? I'm Nokizanya, but my friends call me Zanya. I sometimes get called Zanny but I don't like that name much. What about you? What's your name?"

"We do not have a name. We are simply a Creator."

It continues to give off a feeling of contentment. "Well then, pleased to meet you, Creator!"

>GENDER?
We have learned that asking gender can be an upsetting process for some creatures, so we will be tactful. "Are you male or female? We cannot tell."

"...."

"...We see only your face."

"Oh! That makes much more sense. Can't you tell by my voice? Anyway." It steps back. "I'm female I guess, but males don't seem to-- Huh? I think someone's coming."

"Then we shall be silent."

Creator 2013/04/17(Wed)20:31 No. 506389 ID: d6ae01
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"Zanny! How're things going in here?" a metallic voice asks. "That bastard giving you any trouble?"

"Um, things are okay. The glowing guy didn't really say much."

"Not much of a talker, is it? Good. I know I don't relieve you for another hour, but I did say I'd check up on you. That thing didn't do anything suspicious, did it?"

"It mostly just floated there..."

"Don't fall for anything it says. They're killers with no regard to life. I had a run-in with one years ago-- You should have seen the mess it made. Barely escaped with my life." It approaches us. "I should show you the same brutality your kind showed us, but I like to think we're above such things. We probably surprised you a bit back there, so I'll let you ask anything you want. Consider this my mercy."

Ask what type of things they both are.

>>506389
Why do they object so strongly to exchanging old life for new life? Is that not how the universe works? Creators merely do it directly, faster, and in a controlled manner. Why have they not tried to negotiate with the Creators rather than hunt them?

>>506390
This sounds good for now.

ask what the point is in capturing us since your just going to execute us once this little love boat reaches the end of it's journey, and why it cares to hear us talk if it only harbors ill will towards us? And if it gives that whole because we are better then you thing again just say hate is hate no matter how much honer and decency you put into it and ask it again, why?

Huh. I assumed Zanny's companion would be of the same species. Is this creature one of your captors?

>spare brutality
>mercy
What mercy is it to imprison us and transport us to an outcome of your choosing before execution? The outcome remains the same. The only difference is that your kind can console themselves with the pretension of some kind of just process.

...and yes, we will do whatever we have to for our children. Call us brutal if that comforts you, but any living thing would do same.

"We wish for clarification of your statement. Do you imprison all similar entities for the transgressions you have experienced at the will of one entity, or is this a 'mercy' reserved for ourselves?"

Ask how long till we reach our destination. Inform it we bear it no ill will for the extermination of our people, as it is only natural they seek to live themselves.

Ask how long till we reach our destination. Inform it we bear it no ill will for the extermination of our people, as it is only natural they seek to live themselves.

Creator 2013/04/19(Fri)16:40 No. 506721 ID: d6ae01
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>Ask what type of things they both are.
"You don't seem to be creations. We are curious, from where do you hail? What manner of creatures are you?"

"Ah, so you've decided to talk," The creature says. "Taking me up on my offer, then? I'm Nishalm, a Kih, from a world I'd rather not reveal to you."

Nokizanya appears to be in thought. "Um, did I say my name yet? I forgot. Wait, yeah, I said my name."

"She's... a Lare, some kind of tribal race. She was wearing the most ridiculous getup before we got her in some proper clothing."

"But my mother made it for me, from skin and bone..."

"Oh. Er, sorry."

For reasons that remain beyond us, we find ourselves struggling to maintain neutral feelings towards this one.

Creator 2013/04/19(Fri)16:40 No. 506722 ID: d6ae01
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> Is this creature one of your captors?
"Are you one of our captors, or were you brought from elsewhere?"

"I was in a nearby ship and brought over. I was not plucked from a random planet like my friend here."

>>506408
We believe we know the answer, but we will ask anyway. "If you seek our death, why capture us? We are weak, defenseless. Killing us would be no trouble for one such as you."

"Oh, I'd love to, but it's not my call. I'd rather not risk the rank I spent years earning on something as trivial as revenge."

"If you loathe us so, why listen to us now?"

"I already told you why, although I was hoping you'd beg for your life more."

>>506413
"Mercy, was it?" we ask. "What mercy is there in imprisoning us under the pretense that we are not being sent to our ultimate demise? This is no different from killing us outright; you're simply delaying the inevitable under the guise of false mercy."

"Don't misunderstand me, demon. Your situation is not my mercy--answering your questions is. And believe me, I'd rather end you now than leave it up to our government."

Creator 2013/04/19(Fri)16:42 No. 506725 ID: d6ae01
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"You want to kill it?" Nokizanya asks suddenly, sounding louder than before. "But it isn't hurting anyone!"

"You don't understand what these things are like! They gobble people up like it was nothing!"

"Not for nothing," we correct. "We only consume old creations, ones that have lived long, and we do so to make life anew. We would do anything for our... children."

"You consume those strong enough to stop you!"

"Consider us demons if it offers you comfort, but we act with nature, the same as our creations, the same as natural life. We do not do so out of malice, and we bear no ill intentions even to ones who hate us as you do. Your actions are also natural."

"Shut up! Kilahm, talking to you is much less satisfying than I thought it'd be."

"You don't have to be mean to it," Nokizanya says. "Maybe that other one was mean and stuff, but this one seems really nice--"

"Nice!? Do you think I'm wearing this damned thing because I want to? One of those... things is the reason I'm trapped inside my own personal prison!"

"Then we share a similar fate," we say.

"Shut up!"

What happened to them, exactly?

>>506725
Ask what the other Creator did. Maybe we could fix it.

oh it's so adorable when it gets all mad. So what gender is this one if you had to take a guess, it's hard to tell with all the armor on.

ask it how much longer until we hit planet side as it would be nice to know how long we have to escape from this ship.

>>506730
This one was referred to as a 'she' by Nokizanya.

If the creature's body is mostly gone or it's just a brain or it's all decomposed from being partially absorbed, could our creation powers undo that? If so:
"We would propose a deal. Explain that which has been done to you; if we are capable of restoring that which was lost, we would do so in exchange for our freedom."

If not, inquire about the creature's gender for the purposes of proper pronoun use.

>>506744
actally she wasn't sure either >>505998

I don't think offering to fix it or anything is going to have a good effect. Firstly it's probably beyond our ability, or at least beyond what we have energy for. Secondly, it'd likely make him/her keep a closer eye on us if we try and make a deal for freedom, which would make our plan with the girl harder to pull off, and maybe even make her suspicious of us. Thirdly, fixing him/her might just mean we have a tougher opponent to fight later on.

What if we just stopped talking to him/her? He/she did tell us to shut up.

>>506747
maybe we can create a bacterium that repairs damaged tissue but propagates and spreads rapidly, and use Nishalm to infest the ship with it.

maybe something that actually replaces host tissues with itself, so when we absorb it for power, we take care of our captors as well.

or if nishalm refuses, convince Nokizanya that we want to help it and give the creation to her for her to infest him/her/it.

>>506775
Discussing that we could do that kind of thing is a bad idea. It'll give away our escape plan. If we want to use Zanny as a vector to infect the ship, we want to keep our capability to do so a secret. Especially from the suspicious jailor with a grudge.

Creator 2013/04/22(Mon)19:33 No. 507299 ID: d6ae01
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>So what gender is this one if you had to take a guess, it's hard to tell with all the armor on.
We are unsure why we place any value on this. We are unable to determine anything. Compared to Nokizanya's voice, this one sounds much less natural, like the product of our creations' creations.

>ask it how much longer until we hit planet side as it would be nice to know how long we have to escape from this ship.
"We did not mean to offend."

"I bet you didn't. Whatever, I'm dropping it."

"We are curious. For how long must we travel before reaching the planet of our judgement?"

"At this speed, maybe a week. We're pretty far out."

Time does not seem to be an issue for us, so long as we do not procrastinate.

>What happened to them, exactly?
>Ask what the other Creator did. Maybe we could fix it.
"We consume to create. Harming natural life is not our way. What did this other of our kind do that lead to your fate?"

"I have no reason to tell you that. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'd like to be literally anywhere else right now."

It turns and walks to the exit. It presses something on the keypad, and the door opens.

"I'll be back in an hour."

"Did it hurt you?" Nokizanya asks suddenly. The creature pauses.

"...Yes."

"What'd it do?" Nokizanya's voice emanates innocence, like a young creation who has yet to experience the nature of things.

"I don't like thinking about it, but... fuck it. Maybe it'll do us both a favor."

Creator 2013/04/22(Mon)19:34 No. 507300 ID: d6ae01
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"We were sent to handle a case with one of those things mucking everything up on a planet. It was killing and absorbing thousands in hopes of making one of their vaunted masterpieces. We demanded it stop. It refused, insisting that it was going to change the way the universe works."

"The nature of the universe cannot be changed. It should have known this," We say.

"Yeah, well, I guess it didn't get the memo. We had no choice but to bring it in, but we hadn't realized just how much power it amassed. It unleashed an army of creatures the likes of which I had never seen before. One of them... got me. I'd read that these things could give their creations magic-like power, but to see it first-hand...

"Well, anyway, It spat fire at me, burning me really badly. They had to replace a lot of stuff with prosthetics. This suit keeps all of that running and lets me continue to do my job, while also offering a little more protection against heat. Fool me once, et cetera."

Creator 2013/04/22(Mon)19:35 No. 507301 ID: d6ae01
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Nokizanya hugs it. "You poor thing! That must have been so hard to go through."

"Please. I appreciate it, but I don't need your sympathy. I'd be lying if I said I was over it, but I've adjusted to my new life."

>Repair damage?
We decide to offer our aid, being careful not to reveal anything that would arouse suspicion towards our plan.
"It is truly horrible what happened to you. We will not deny the possibility that this creator has gone against our nature, but we have not. We would like the chance to make it right. We could repair your damaged tissue, had we a little more energy."

"Fuck you."

"You should let it try!" Nokizanya insists.

"Yes, let's free the giant genocidal glow-stick in the hopes that it'll let me do what I can already do, despite one of those things' best attempts."

"But if it fixes you, you can touch people and get hugs and not sound all weird!"

"Hmph. Maybe I like sounding 'weird'. It's amusing watching people try and figure out what gender I am. I'm a little surprised neither of you asked, come to think of it."

>inquire about the creature's gender for the purposes of proper pronoun use.
"We are... above such things."

"Heh. Well anyway, I'm not risking this ship on the off, off, off chance this thing is sincere. We'd have to free it and then feed it, and at that point it would pretty much have us at its mercy."

"But this one's nice!"

"I bet. Can I go now? This conversation is starting to vex me."

We wonder if it is intentionally forgetting something.

>>507301
Tell it that they two are immune to your power. That is why they are here on this ship. They have nothing to lose by accepting your offer.

...I'm tempted to fix this thing anyways, once we're free. Just to prove a point.

>We wonder if it is intentionally forgetting something.
Like what?

>>507307

That extremely heavy-duty door that only opens from a keypad is wide open holmes.

"We feel it pertinent to inform you that after you returned to the room, the door closed. It is now open again. Creation's creation may be flawed; alternatively, an unseen lifeform is now present in the room."

>>507315
Hmm. That would suggest the door being opened from outside, I suspect. Although if these are two immune to our power on board, it doesn't make sense of any of our captors to open that door. And it doesn't help us if we're still in the inner cell.

Or maybe the damaged one has a remote control for the door? Either it opened it in advance of passing through, or the hug inadvertently triggered it? (Poor security, either way).

I have a question, is Nokizanya really big or is Nishalm just really small?

So are we still a go with plan "kill everything with bacteria" or are we going to change that to something else now?

And is it common for Creators to go mad with power, cause the way Nishalm made it sound was that the Creator that crippled it had so much energy that it just went crazy.

>>507321
It opened the door to leave but then got distracted by Nokizanya.

>>507304
Also, if they put the room on lockdown while you do it, they will not be risking the ship if you were to *somehow* overpower the both of them despite having next to no power reserves.

>>507336

Look again.

The door CLOSED as it was talking to her and us, and then it opened again when she hugged it.

Perhaps someone DOES want a powerful people eater running around the ship.

Important things to know are how confident you can brute force your containment and however you get out, how fast can you skedaddle.

Either way, lets not break out yet. We still have time to gather our strength. The window pane is transparent so we can see through it. Convert some of the light that's coming through into energy for our use.

Creator 2013/04/25(Thu)14:43 No. 507729 ID: d6ae01
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> The window pane is transparent so we can see through it. Convert some of the light that's coming through into energy for our use.
We cannot consume light directly. Our creations can be made to absorb and convert it for us, but the gains are minor, and would be smaller still from the false light around us.

>I have a question, is Nokizanya really big or is Nishalm just really small?
Life forms come in many sizes, and there is no "default" size to compare against. If we were made to guess, we would suggest a combination of both.

>Tell it that they two are immune to your power. That is why they are here on this ship. They have nothing to lose by accepting your offer.
"We cannot consume either of you; this was told to us moments before. There is no risk in accepting our offer."

"Yeah, except you could create a ferocious beast to attack us, or take advantage of the giant chunk of you-made material that would make up my body should I accept your not even remotely hidden trap."

"The energy we require would not be enough to create a creature you or Nokizanya could not easily fell."

"Not even remotely hidden."

>>507320
"As a show of faith, we will point out that the door behind you lies open."

"What? I thought I closed it! Unless-- Lkrorim is that you."

Creator 2013/04/25(Thu)14:43 No. 507730 ID: d6ae01
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We see a head slowly peek out from behind the door. "Um, s-sorry, I didn't want to bother you, um, but I think maybe it's time to feed the, um, big glowy thing..."

A rapid rasping sound emits from the one called Nishalm. "Is it, now? Do me a favor and bring the big specimen."

The creature looks worried. "Um, you're not going to feed it that, are you? that would be bad..."

"Of course not. I want to taunt it, as it has taunted me. And don't leave the damn door open. Come in if you want to come in."

"Oh, um, sorry... but I think you might have to come with me..."

"Lost your key-card again, huh?"

It gives a sheepish nod.

"Sigh. Okay, let's go. I'll be back in a little bit." Nishalm takes a few steps before looking back at us. "Nokizanya, I know you pity it, but remember what we're offering your people. This thing is not worth giving that up for."

Creator 2013/04/25(Thu)14:44 No. 507731 ID: d6ae01
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We are alone with Nokizanya once more. She looks to be in thought.

Ask about what they're offering them. Advanced technology I presume.

>>507730
Aw. Poor creation. It looks so scared.

>>507733
Seems about right.

If she interrogates us- asks us about what we do, or what we are, be honest.

i take it they have feed you before, what do they normally feed you and does size really matter when your absorbing something or not really cause the way you made it sound size doesn't have much meaning to you.

>>507733
This seems like a good angle to take.

Ask about her home and what they're offering her people. Answer questions honestly.

She's thinking something over. Wait a bit, see if she'll speak first without prompting. If it doesn't seem like she will, questions.

>>507731
Ask her about the song of her people. Also, ask how you were taunting the small, power armored one. We were entirely sincere in all our statements.

We never said we weren't going to kill everyone on board except for Nozi. Them's the spacebreaks, kiddo.

Creator 2013/04/29(Mon)12:16 No. 508154 ID: d6ae01
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>>507773
We decide to leave her in silence for the time being, despite our curiosity. We do our best to display concern, but we are uncertain if she can tell.

>>507736
We were drained of all our energy when we were brought on board. We have not been 'fed' yet. Size is not the only factor in how much energy something has, but it is difficult to make larger things without expending more energy. Still, a creature as small as Nishalm could have more energy than one such as--

"You're not bad, are you?" Her question breaks our thought.

>>507735
We will answer with as much honesty as we safely can. "We are neither good nor bad. We only act the way nature intends us to."

"Does 'we' include that other one? Was hurting Nishalm a nature thing too?"

"We are uncertain. The actions of this other Creator confuse us. If the one called Nishalm is speaking with truth, then it troubles us deeply."

"Oh, okay..."

Creator 2013/04/29(Mon)12:17 No. 508155 ID: d6ae01
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>Ask about what they're offering them. Advanced technology I presume.
We break the silence this time. "What is it they offer you in exchange for cooperation?"

"They said if I went along with them and did what they said, they would make it so we'll never run out of food. They would teach us stuff about how to make things that do stuff for us."

"So they offer knowledge of advanced agriculture, as well as machines?"

"I think so. Our crops haven't done that well this year, so I said yes. They never said I'd have to do things that made me feel bad, though."

"So you pity us."

She does not respond, and continues to look away from us.

>Ask about her home
"What is your home like?"

"Huh? Oh, it's really pretty, especially near the end of the year. The colorful plants at home are nothing like the cold grey of this place. It feels really dead here."

"We are in agreement."

>>507805
"Tell us, does your kind have a song they enjoy vocalizing?"

Nokizanya looks at us with curiosity. She must not have expected our question. "Um, yes. Are you asking me to sing one?"

"We do not see as you do, nor do we have physical contact. To us, music is purest form of communication."

"Um, all right. I'm not very good, but I'll try."

Creator 2013/04/29(Mon)12:18 No. 508157 ID: d6ae01
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Nokizanya begins to sing. We do not understand the words, and the tones used feel strange in places, but it is nonetheless an acceptable experience.

She finishes. "Hmm, was that how it went? I forget half the words. Oh well-- now it's your turn!"

"We are unsure if you'd enjoy our expression. We do not sing quite as you do."

"You can't back out now! You promised!"

"We do not recall making any promises."

"You were gonna. I saw it in your eyes."

"...."

Creator 2013/04/29(Mon)12:18 No. 508158 ID: d6ae01
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We give our best showing, making various tones and hums. Perhaps inferior by Creator standards, but Nokizanya seems satisfied with our attempts. Her mouth turns upwards for a bit before a look of... concern? overtakes it once more.

"I'm helping my tribe, and they keep saying you're bad and you eat people, but now I feel even more bad about it." She sighs. "But you do eat people, huh?"

"We do something that might be comparable. It is the only way for us to continue to exist, and the only way we can make Creations."

"I see animals eat other animals all the time. We have to eat animals too. But-- couldn't you just not eat people?"

"To do so would be akin to you eating nothing but plant matter," we say, assuming that plants alone would not sustain them.

"Oh."


We believe she is beginning to understand our ways. We might be able to convince her to let us free long enough to set our plan in motion, but we would have do so in a way that will let us return to our cage shortly after without arousing suspicion. We could also wait longer for Nishalm to return, and hope we can make our move during 'feeding time'.

>>508158
Tell her what your Ultimate Creation was going to be.

>>508160
I like this idea.

Hmm. Might be pushing things a little too fast. If we make an attempt too soon, we miss the opportunity to get her to help us.

And don't we need time to start adapting our current creation to our planned deployment? We have it currently configured as an independent thing- not something that would use her as a carrier or vector. Granted, we can't finalize the design until we get access to her biology, but we could start the process, couldn't we?

(And wow. Singing the song of your people actually accomplished something).

the only way i can see her letting us out in a way for her not to rise superstition and lets us have easy access back to our cage would be for us to ask her to let us hug her or something. I mean it would allow us to plant the bacteria on her so she could spread it to the rest of the ship and we wouldn't have to even leave our cage for this. But if she gets caught then our best chance to escape just got thrown out the window.

If we do wait for feeding however it might be harder to escape but it also has less of a fall if we fail that one, and I think we could pull the feeding escape off by leaving just enough 'food' around to let the bacteria survive long enough for Nishalm to leave and have the bacteria cling to it so s/he infects the ship.

As for what this bacteria will do, do you have a plan on how to make it work or were you going to wait till the last minute and make it up on the spot? Cause I feel that it would be best to make it that for the first 12 to 48 hours all this bacteria does is spread like wildfire with absolutely no symptoms then when the biological clock hits 0 have it kill as quickly as we can make it to lessen the chance of them finding a cure or quarantine half of the ship, have it knock them out or put them into a deep sleep if we need them alive to absorb them. Do you think you could make the bacteria act as a controller of sorts se instead of killing/knocking out the crew on this ship so it would give us control over them instead? is any of this possible for us even with our in our weaken state.

>>508160
This.

>>508164
Killing them would oppose our efforts to gain her trust, inducing a temporary sleep like state or immobility would be better and just as good as disabling them. Also tone down the spreading, if its spreads to fast it will gather a lot of attention. Better to just have it spread as fast as any other bacteria.

>>508201
that's what the zero symptoms thing is for, it spreads fast sure but it doesn't do anything till we want it to making it a bitch to find until the symptoms (whatever we make them) start and by then it's to late. Think of it as a room full of natural gas the one you find in nature not the one we make smell like rotten eggs you have no idea it's there until something makes a spark and then BOOM. but hey whatever works works so if you want to make it spread slower then go ahead as long as it can still infect most if not all of the crew by the time we need to get off of this ship.

>>508164
>>508202
Agreed. We want rapid distribution with a a slow incubation timer so we can saturate the ship with low risk of being detected before everyone is compromised. Then, once, the incubation period is over, the active phase is fast, preventing effective treatment.

>Killing them would oppose our efforts to gain her trust, inducing a temporary sleep like state or immobility would be better and just as good
Actually, that's a point I'm not clear on. Is our creation consuming the crew, or are we?

have it ready in case the door opening is just normal opening with the short one with a zappy stick to keep you from getting out. can have it leave even if you can't.

>>508203
Sooooo, the Ebola Virus, but airborne and with an actual incubation time? Sounds doable.

There's one final flaw in our plan.

After the virus takes over the crew, how do we get out?

>>508224
Get her to let us out, of course. Them being unconscious instead of dead will only fortify her faith in hour 'niceness'.

>>508235
So you want to give them Sleeping Sickness? Ick.

>>508247
More like contagious chloroform, really.

I kind of assumed we'd be having the bacteria absorb the old creations and start making new creation on the spot (who would then let us out).

But if we can't do that, I would think suborning them would be more useful than sleep. Compel them to open our cage themselves, and walk right to us to be absorbed.

Actually, do we have to consume an entire creature, intelligent or otherwise, all at once to gain energy from it? Could we just "nibble" around the creature's "edges," from where it would regrow and recover relatively quickly; Especially with medical treatment. That would mean we could knock out all or most of the crew, then feed only a little from all of them.

The same question also goes to the tiny Creation we're going to make.

>>508274
If they have regenerative technology, even better.

Also, can we eat cancer or will it give nothing?

Creator 2013/05/02(Thu)02:09 No. 508449 ID: d6ae01
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>Tell her what your Ultimate Creation was going to be.
We continue speaking. "But we do not consume without purpose. We take the energy we absorb and create anew. In our case, we wish to create a world full of creatures living out peaceful lives, free of the woes we have witnessed and suffered."

"A world? Like, a whole entire world? You can do that!?"

"It is within our power, but only through consumption. Much as natural life consumes, reproduces, and dies, so too do we. We simply do so in different ways."

"I don't understand. You make babies out of people?"

"Perhaps not quite like that, but we have no better way to explain it. We ourselves want to create life we can call our own. We would be ready to face our final fate then. Unfortunately, those aboard this ship wish us to die without ever seeing this come to be. This brings us sorrow."

"I'm sorry. I know I'd also be really sad if I couldn't have little ones before I died. Oh, I wish I could hug you."

>Patience
Though we could possibly convince Nokizanya to free us under the pretense of physical contact, we decide it best to bide our time. We will need to prepare our creation to best achieve our goals first, and we must maintain her trust.

"Do not risk yourself for our sake. We realized long ago that our creations would never truly understand us. It may be our justice that we are to be felled by them."

Creator 2013/05/02(Thu)02:09 No. 508450 ID: d6ae01
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>Actually, that's a point I'm not clear on. Is our creation consuming the crew, or are we?
Only we can consume, but our creation can make consumption easier.

We are unsure, as it has never been attempted and is considered taboo among Creators, but our life-form might also be made capable of consuming natural life and excreting Created matter. We would only consider it if we were left no other choice, as only two creatures on this ship are natural life.

>And don't we need time to start adapting our current creation to our planned deployment?
It is time we prepare for the window of opportunity that will befall us shortly. We take great risk in creating when we are full of hunger, but there is no other choice.

>Mind control?
We can no more control our creations than natural life can control its own offspring.

With our limited energy, we can give our creation four properties. Currently we are considering a delayed activation time, airborne survival, limited symptoms, and a payload of sapping them into slumber.

We spend some time considering these options as well as others.

think the mind control one meant a parasite that hijacks their body.

anyway, sounds good.

>our life-form might also be made capable of consuming natural life and excreting Created matter
...that would be a very last resort. There are creations on board to consume, and it would be a cruel repayment of Zanya's help to consume the two of them. Nevermind the fact it could have wider repercussions- up until a creator crosses that line you all could count on some sympathy from natural life forms. But after...

>creation
Seems viable. Only real problem is how we escape to feed after it has been deployed. Zanya and Nishalm are not fools- they will see your hand (or lack thereof) at work when the crew falls ill, and likely come to confront you. Zanya might be convinced to release us, provided she does not react too poorly when confronted with the hash reality of what we do, but Nishalm will likely seek retribution, and our death. I'm not sure what would happen if both were to arrive close to the same time.

The actual exit from our cell is the most unstable part of the plan.

Those properties sound okay to me.

the creation sounds good but as how to get out, how long can the bacteria survive without a host? cause my plan was to wait until feeding and when we are out of our cage just spreed it across the room and since it is bacteria we are making it's not like anyone will see it as they walk back into the room, and if you have to do something noticeable to create anything do it well you're eating and just say it's how you feed since you did say they haven't feed you yet they wound know. Once we spread the bacteria across the room leave some food around if you have to for the bacteria to feed off of until Nishalm leaves and have as much as the bacteria cling to it as we can so it will infect the ship. Then we just have to wait for Zanya's shift to end as our little germ should have taken effect by then and see if we can't get her to let us out.

>>508466
airborne means it basically flies. can send it out when the door opens.

>>508468
If they're cautious though, they might have some kind of bioscanner on the door. In case we ever tried to sneak something out.

It would be much safer if we could plant it on Zanya and have it go dormant for a period to hide from detection. Then once she's clear of the cell block, have it wake up, go airborne and disseminate.

>>508450
This is good.

Creator 2013/05/04(Sat)06:34 No. 508646 ID: d6ae01
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>Sounds good.
We decide that the current design is just fine. It should survive long enough in the air to infect Nokizanya or Nishalm, and from them move onward to bring the ship to slumber.

>Only real problem is how we escape to feed after it has been deployed.
Nokizanya remains our best chance for this. She would certainly be suspicious of the inevitable fall of the crew, but she is naive and does not know much beyond her planet. This could be to our advantage when the time comes.

>If they're cautious though, they might have some kind of bioscanner on the door.
It is our hope that their scanners are unable to detect something so small. However, it would almost certainly be able to detect our act of creation. We decide it best to act before their attention is upon us. To improve our chances, we will hide it within our core, masking its energy with our own.

We should be able to survive long enough to feed, so long as we act before--

"Okay, we're back," we hear Nishalm say.

"You bring something small. Do you not intend to torment us?"

"I really, strongly considered it, but I guess I'm just too soft in the end. 'Sides, I didn't want to upset Zanny here."

"I knew you were a good person," Nokizanya says.

"Nah. I was really going to do it for a bit."

"But you didn't!"

"But I thought about it! Like, a lot!"

"That just makes you even better for not doing it!"

"It really doesn't!"

Creator 2013/05/04(Sat)06:36 No. 508647 ID: d6ae01
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While its attention is diverted, we create our bacterial life-form. We feel gravely weakened, but as long as we are fed soon we will survive.

"Okay, here's how this is gonna go. We're going to put up the room's forcefield, bring you out nice and slow, let you gobble this, zap you to the level we want you at, then send you back in."

"You don't intend to feed us inside this cage?" we ask, our curiosity taking precedence over our better judgement.

"The zapper doesn't exactly fit in there. Now then, do anything funny and I will use this thing. We have scanners watching your every move, understand?"

"Yes. We will not do anything to warrant your suspicion."

"Okay, good. Guess I'll open the cage now."

We are weak, but our timing seems to be perfect.

Creator 2013/05/04(Sat)06:37 No. 508648 ID: d6ae01
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"Wait-- Actually, I've something to say to you first."

"You intend to tease us after all?" we ask, masking our concern.

"Look, I've talked to the crew some, and they all agree you're trying to trick us. Nobody on this ship trusts you, and I damn sure don't have a reason to. Even if you could rebuild my body, why would you want to? Why should I trust you?"

We are struggling to maintain ourselves. Our ability to sense the world around us is fading. We need to be fed soon, or we are ended. We can't arouse suspicion, but we must take action.

"there is nothing i could say that could convince you of my sincerity, but know that it is true i will not hurt natural life. now can i have what you brought me?"

>>508649
Actually pretty well-conceived! Let's go with this. Just need to say something to satisfy Nishalm enough that they feed us.

if he asks why you seem anxious to get it just say "show a starving person some food and then make them wait, they would react the same"

We are soon to be put to trial. What could aid us more than your testimony of our good faith?

Are there not obvious benefits to a sympathetic jailer? Or in trying to demonstrate to our captors that despite their perceptions, we are not evil? Or in providing an obvious, decoy plot for you to focus on while we put a subtler one in motion?

We follow a natural order. If you were injured by a misguided or insane creator futilely attempting to defy that order, that is wrong. A wrongness we would correct, if able. As we have said before, despite the situation, we bear you no ill will. And as we would need to be provided with the energy we currently lack, it would cost us nothing to make the attempt.

(You know... if the situation were different, that's almost a compromise solution right there. Offer your services as a physician- curing injuries beyond the ability of their science to repair. The hard part to work out would be a system where enough energy is paid in for you to offer services, and to build up a surplus for eventual creation. Problematic if you have to eat patients for that- kind of a conflict of interest. Unless you can sap things of energy without outright consumption? Almost an insurance pool).

...and we are a Creator. We live to create. To our knowledge, nothing like this has been done before. It would be something new.

There is however, no way to prove I am not attempting to deceive you. If you believe this offer is a trap or trick, all you need do is chose not to trip it. Unless you have reconsidered?

>I would not hurt natural life
...without good reason. Trying to change the nature of the universe does not meet that criteria.

>be suspicious of the inevitable fall of the crew
>naive
Honestly, that's where I think the problem is. It's one thing to naively sympathize with the people eating demi-god when it's cute, singing, and harmless. It's another once you've seen the hash reality of it felling an entire ship's worth of people.

>>508655
This.

>>508652
This if he stalls more.

the little guy is most likely going to argue with us no matter what we say so If he tries to drag this conversation out just say something along the lines of "you seem to have it set in your mind that nothing I say holds any truth so what is the point in trying to tell you that I'm not lying when you believe everything I say is a lie" and also tell him his friend is by the door again

>>508656
why assume nokizanya will know the mysterious illness was caused by us? as far as anyone will be able to tell, there's no link.

if she's naive we can just as easily lie to her and ask her to let us out so we can help.

>>508648
It was just a whim, since the other Creator went against nature. Tell her she can think about it as much as she wants. We have until the ship reaches its destination. After then, we will no longer be able to help her, since we'll be dead.

>>508808
Actually I suspect that they plan on using us as some sort of biological weapon.

>>508813
That would be interesting. Certainly better than being murdered.

They should trust you because you need their help.

Oh, and if we're really pressed for time, just tell her we can talk after we eat. Or while we eat.

Perhaps we were wrong. Perhaps it's just our time to go.

Creator 2013/05/08(Wed)17:14 No. 509320 ID: d6ae01
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>>508649
"Our sincerity could not be proven to you oy words alone, but believe us when we say we've no reason to harm natural life such as you."

"Revenge, perhaps? I'd be pretty pissed if it were me in that cage."

"We've nothing to gain through dishonesty, nor do we begrudge your kin of actions that are only natural. We seek to aid you because another Creator went against the nature of our kind, and we wish to recompense."

"Uh huh..."

>>508655
>They should trust you because you need their help.
We must hold on...

"We are soon to be put to trial. It would aid us more to have your testimony of our good faith than it would to deceive you and be obliterated."

"Okay, now that I'm willing to believe."

"We would benefit from aiding you as much as you would. If you will believe nothing else, believe we act for our own sake as well."

"I guess. Still seems like I'd be throwing away any advantage I have over you."

"We will not... pressure you. If you think... trap... don't trip it. Please... we can talk after..."

"Trying to get me to feed you, eh?"

Creator 2013/05/08(Wed)17:15 No. 509322 ID: d6ae01
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"Nishalm, I don't think it looks too good," Nokizanya says.

"It's fine. Probably another trick--"

"It's dying! You open that door right now, Nishalm!"

"Whoa! Okay, geez!"

We feel the pressure change as the door opens in front of us. We try to move outward, but we are unable.

Creator 2013/05/08(Wed)17:16 No. 509323 ID: d6ae01
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>Perhaps we were wrong. Perhaps it's just our time to go.
If it is our fate to be ended here, then there is naught we can do but accept it.

Creator 2013/05/08(Wed)17:16 No. 509324 ID: d6ae01
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....

We do not understand.

>>509324
Is that Zanya? Trying to help us? And a light? Food/energy/life? Will it sustain us?

eat it.

>>509324
She just saved your life. Eat the thing she's feeding you.

I see a different possibility before us. Could you accomplish your Ultimate Creation by making HER planet your dream planet? We can deliver what she was promised, instead of these other guys.

Regardless, plant the virus immediately while we're in contact with her. Stick to the plan, we almost killed ourselves trying to enact it.

consume it slowly, try and regain our senses before we go full chow time, don't want to end up hurting the one helping us after all.

>>509345
This.

>>509324
The yellow is food, not the blue.
Take and consume the yellow.

don't forget a bat

Target yellow energy signature. Assimilate.

Creator 2013/05/09(Thu)16:26 No. 509545 ID: d6ae01
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>The yellow is food, not the blue.
We cannot consume the blue... or can we? We have never tried. We want so desperately to try. We want to be full of energy, full of life.

>Take and consume the yellow.
We want to make our Ultimate Creation.

>Food/energy/life?
We want to create, to consume.

>Will it sustain us?
Must consume.

>Is that Zanya?
Consume.

Creator 2013/05/09(Thu)16:27 No. 509546 ID: d6ae01
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>She just saved your life.

Animated Creator 2013/05/09(Thu)16:28 No. 509547 ID: d6ae01
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>consume it slowly, try and regain our senses before we go full chow time, don't want to end up hurting the one helping us after all.
We...

We consume the offering with care.

>Regardless, plant the virus immediately while we're in contact with her.
As our senses return, we make sure to deposit our Creation. It seems to escape notice.

"Are- are you okay? You looked... less glowy."

"We wish to create your world."

"What...?"

"Okay, it's fed," Nishalm interrupts from outside our cage. "Now get out of there so we can zap it."

>>509546
What was that? Symbols?

>>509547
Tell her she had better go. Don't make obvious the fact that you and her have become friends.

tun to him and say "one moment, while i have some energy to spare, i can try to restore some of your damage, maybe not all of it but perhaps a limb or an organ"

>>509551
symbols are on her chest
>>506388

>Are you okay?
We will recover. We came very close to running out of energy. And the subsequent end of our existence. Thank you for your swift action. I suggest you withdraw before Nishalm initiates the 'zapping'.

>Nishalm
Have you considered our offer? For the moment, we have energy that could be spent in your favor, but after this procedure we will be once again close to minimum.

(If he answers no) Very well, we shall respect your wishes.

>create her world
I understand the impulse for gratitude, but what would that entail? Her people already have a world. Granted, one with perhaps insufficient agricultural development, but...

>>509554
We can make this offer, yeah.

If we're going to make "Nokizanya's world" we should probably, uh, figure out what that would actually be.

ok other then the moment where we almost lost self control that went pretty well but uh, what is this zapping going to do exactly and why should we leave the cage just to get zapped?

Creator 2013/05/15(Wed)14:07 No. 511004 ID: d6ae01
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>>509572
>>509560
We have been hit with a glorious burst of inspiration. Never before have we witnessed such kindness and compassion from a life-form, created or otherwise. No other creator has ever considered putting their Ultimate Creation in the hands of another. By doing so, we would create something truly unique. We wanted a world free of the tyrannies we've suffered, and it is through this kind, innocent mind that this can become possible in a way we could never have foreseen on our own.

Nokizanya shall become our muse. But we cannot discuss this now, not while under such observation.

"Nevermind our strange words-- We are unharmed thanks to your swift action. If not for you, we would no longer exist."

"See!? Your being mean to it almost made it die!"

"I-I'm sure it's just being over-dramatic. Now, come on out. No sudden moves, you big glowstick, or I use this thing. Finger's right on the button, ready to go."

"Do you require us to exit as well?" we ask.

"No, you can stay in there. Come on, Zanny."

>Tell her she had better go. Don't make obvious the fact that you and her have become friends.
"You should do as it commands. We do not wish you to come to harm for disobedience."

"Oh, okay. But do we have to zap it, Nishalm? It isn't going to harm anyone."

"It's... merely biding its time while I have this machine pointed at it. Now get out of there, before it creates... I dunno. A deadly insect or something."

Creator 2013/05/15(Wed)14:08 No. 511005 ID: d6ae01
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>>509554
"Rather than being drained with that machine, we could use our energy to heal some of your wounds. Though we lack the energy to heal you completely, we wish to undo at least some of the damage done by the unnatural Creator."

"You're still on about that? I'm not going to trust you just because you keep insisting."

"Just let it try!" Nokizanya says. "If it does something weird, I'll zap it and you'll still be okay!"

"And I'm supposed to believe you'll actually zap it after you've been defending it this whole time?"

"I promise to zap it if it does anything weird! May my body grow bald if I don't!"

Nishalm falls silent. We consider speaking to break the tension, but we are unable to find the words. We instead glow as pleasantly as possible.

Nishalm glares at us.

It glares at Nokizanya.

"I haven't gotten to touch anything in a long time," it finally says. "I can't take this damned thing off unless I'm in my sanitized room, and even then I can't remove everything. My life has been a complete hell, but I've continued on solely to see the end of you things, and now you want me to-- fuck. Fucking. Fuck."

It walks up to us.

"More than revenge, more than becoming a general, I just want to touch things again. I hate you for reminding me of this. You're an asshole."

Creator 2013/05/15(Wed)14:09 No. 511006 ID: d6ae01
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"...On your word, Nokizanya, for the sake of your tribe's prosperity, if it does anything, hit that button."

"I promise!"

"Ugh-- Fuck it. You win. Let's get this over with."

Nishalm steps into our chambers and presses a few buttons on its suit. It opens, exposing parts of its body.

We are barely able to comprehend what is underneath. So little of its body remains intact, we would be unable to repair all of it with what we have. It leaves its headgear on, preventing us from feeling its mind.

"I'm already risking myself with exposure. Do what you're going to do."

>>511006
fix the skin. Its what it wants. And we have no energy left for anything else. If we can't do the entire epidermis focus on the hands and face.

one arm and skin if able to. if you can then ask to detach the right arm machine parts so the growth wont go weird, just skin if only one is doable.

>>511006
In order of priority, skin, then muscles, then heart/lungs, depending on what we have the energy for. We don't have the energy to overcome its lost limbs, but we can at least let it feel things on its skin again.

Restore his skin and, if you can, both arms. Best to have hands to feel with, after all. If you have any excess energy after that, put it into internal organs.

After he's had a moment to realize you've been true to your word and to take pleasure in his partial restoration, gently remind him that you could have finished the job, and perhaps could still, if only they were not so stingy in feeding you.

Let's restore the skin and muscle if we can, and the nerves under the skin if they're damaged. It wants to be able to touch things without risking infection, so let's do that first.

>>511016
Don't suggest feeding you more, it'll just make it more suspicious.

Skin first then muscle damage. If we have any energy after that heal some organ damage.

go with skin and muscle if we can, even if we can't let him feel again lets at least get him to the point where he won't die from exposure every time he takes his suit off. Also when you're done, don't ask for anything in return since when we try and escape later I'm sure he'll go back to being pissed at us. Unless we are about to die again from lack of energy.

Well, if it wishes to touch things, it needs to be able to function outside of his gear. We need to provide a new skin of some kind to protect his body from exposure to infection. An organic replacement for the outer layer of the suit.

If we lack the energy to repair the whole skin, limit to a portion that can be exposed. (Allow it to expose it's face, or arm, or something).

Since touch is the primary desire, we must provide a limb of some kind, so it can choose to touch things. This means we want to restore one or more of the arms, or the tail. Providing a limb that can touch is a higher priority than restoring the full skin.

Since we cannot modify its form directly, we're more creating something new, right? A symbiotic, creation-based organism to fill the gaps in the natural life form (an organic prosthetic replacing mechanical ones) It has to be able to exchange sensory information from Nishalm, be subject to the control of Nishalm's nervous system, and will need to depend on Nishalm for food / energy / oxygen.

The symbiote needs to be receptive to further augmentation and upgrade, so we can further improve it in te future, if we are given the chance and energy.

We will have to specially protect Nishalm's creation-prosthetic from our bacteria. If the replacement parts we gift now shut down later, it could be fatal.

>Use innocent mind to creature a world free of even your own flaws
Interesting.

Oh, and don't bother with sexual characteristics, since we don't know what to give anyways, we're limited on energy and Nishalm previously expressed taking pleasuring in confusing other life forms with its ambiguity.

Repairing the skin damage looks to be the first priority, both for the sense of touch Nishalm so desires and to keep infection out. But at the same time, if you can, take a closer look and check his immune system. Whatever the broken Creator did might have wrecked it as well and that'll have to be fixed first.

When you finish fixing the skin on the rest of Nishalm's body, ask him if he'll take his helmet off so you can finish repairing the skin on his head. It would be unexpected if he does at this point, but ask all the same.

If you have any juice left after fixing his skin, start work on replacing his right arm. It doesn't have to be a full replacement yet. Just as much as you can manage without endangering yourself.

Something to remember for later: We'll need to repair Nishalm's heart and probably his lungs before replacing limbs or repairing muscle. He'll need that to provide the extra blood flow needed to keep them working right.

>>511073
Skin, lungs, heart muscle.

>>511027
no no, we just can't eat him. using our power to cause super rapid cell growth to restore the damage is more likely.

>>511154

Gotta make sure it doesn't become OMEGA TUMORS though.

Rather than asking more food, just apologize that this is the most you can do with what energy you have.

>>511006
I think we need more instructions from her. These seem like they would work, in order of increasing cost:
A) Repair the skin only, allowing for the sense of touch on her already-intact torso, though without the proper underlying shape due to missing muscle mass.
B) Repair skin and muscle.
C) Reconstruct one arm, along with the skin and muscle for it to function normally.
D) C along with reconstructing skin and muscle on the torso.
E) D along with restoring lung and heart functionality.

Oh, also... in order to do anything, won't we have to take into account her augmentations? We should probably get information about them so we don't add stuff she can't handle. Like, if she has implants, we can't mess with her internals.

Ah, and... be sure to make sure that she knows what we're about to do ahead of time, and says that's what she wants.

...it occurs to me that if we only restore the skin, her first sensation could be that of PAIN. Perhaps restoring the muscle underneath is more important than we realize. Better warn her of this ahead of time, or take measures to prevent it.

>>511073
The part about heart and lungs is a good point. Best save the limbs for when the body can handle it.

Yeah, fixing the skin and other core parts is the most important thing. Aside from being able to feel, they probably won't have so much of a problem with absolutely requiring a suit. Even with only that much fixed, they could probably live with less all-encompassing prosthetics.

Creator 2013/05/17(Fri)18:46 No. 511382 ID: d6ae01
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>>511166
>>511168
"You are greatly damaged."

"I know, thanks."

"We feel that repairing your skin would do the most good, but we would not presume to know what matters to you most. Do you favor any particular organ or limb restored?"

"Skin would be great, yeah. After that, it'd be nice to have arms and legs again... but that does me no good if my heart and lungs can't handle moving around, does it? Just restore what you can without making me more crippled than I already am."

"We will run into trouble creating new limbs for you with your suit in the way."

"Well, I can't take it all off without dying, but... here." With a few button presses and a twist, Nishalm is able to remove one of its unnatural arms. "Try fixing this arm for starters."

>We will have to specially protect Nishalm's creation-prosthetic from our bacteria. If the replacement parts we gift now shut down later, it could be fatal.
We would have to create an organism to fight off the bacterial creation. We would not need much energy to do so, but we will need to be careful to ensure it doesn't immunize the crew. We will have time to work on this after we are done, provided Nishalm doesn't immediately run away and seal our cage.


>Prioritize skin and muscle
We could create matter to bolster the heart and muscles, while focusing on the skin and restoring one arm. Nishalm would not be able to walk far with damaged lungs, but this will not be a problem so long as the legs remain a creation's creation.

>Her first sensation could be that of PAIN.
"Be prepared. This might hurt considerably."

"Used to it."

We use what we can to create new matter, which grows and replicates the damaged organs, eventually replacing them entirely. We are careful not to put ourselves in danger this time. We can only imagine the pain felt as the new tissue takes over, but Nishalm does not even flinch.

We are the first Creator to try something like this on a natural life-form. We hope this does not break our taboo.

Creator 2013/05/17(Fri)18:47 No. 511383 ID: d6ae01
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>>511020
>>511165
>>511016
"We are sorry. This is all we could do with our limited--"

"Shut up."

Creator 2013/05/17(Fri)18:48 No. 511384 ID: d6ae01
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Nishalm wordlessly walks over to Nokizanya and grasps her hand.

She looks down at it, seemingly uncertain of how to react.


"Zanny."

"Y-yes?"

Creator 2013/05/17(Fri)18:51 No. 511389 ID: d6ae01
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"Get the big specimen."

oh boy

Let's see where this goes.

Salivate furiously

Well this seems to be working out nicely for us.

Nishalm wishes to give us the energy to complete its repairs? Well, we certainly do not have a problem with that. Feed and continue your work, if given the chance. Stick to the original plan- don't go creating a monster to try and fight your way out or anything.

...although if Nishalm opts for full reconstruction it may prove necessary to inquire if it wishes to be endowed with a set of sexual characteristics (and which ones), or if it wishes to remain ambiguous. Although, in either case, it's unlikely our replacements would allow reproduction with an unaltered mate of its species.

We should probably also explain where this leaves Nishalm with respect to any other creator it may encounter. As it may have guessed, it is now vulnerable in the same way other creations are- its new parts can be absorbed. A new creation would not normally have to worry about this, but we are unsure how it would be received. We attempted to reverse a wrong, but something like this has never been attempted before, and it skirts close to the taboo. To our knowledge, there has never been a hybridized natural / created life form.

I'm a little worried how this is going, I mean this is working out FAR to well. I just know something is going to complicate everything soon.

Anyway ask Nishalm if s/he is ok. Let him/her suggest resorting his/herself completely as it would be less suspicious then if you were to suggest it, also if s/he does want us to completely restore him/her I guess we get to ask his/her favorite question, "what gender are you?" I mean we could take a guess, we have a 50/50 shot after all but if we screw up, while funny wouldn't help things more then likely.

>>511389
Heh heh heh. This could turn out very well for us... or we could avoid taking advantage, gaining both their trust, and when our hidden bacterial infection takes over the crew, we can ask to come out and see what's wrong with them. At which point we start absorbing and making troops (some of which would hold the two naturals prisoner) until we can secure the ship and figure out what our options are for piloting it.

Ask Nishalm if it is not worried that you were planning for them to react this way. That this could be the trap. Nevertheless, we are pleased to not have our absorbed power go to waste, and we will restore its body to the state it desires.

What's the taboo exactly?

simple way to make them immune to the bacteria is to upgrade their immune system. grant their white blood cells the information it needs to fight back effectively.

anyway, would say it doesn't break the taboo as long as their brain is still natural. as long as that is intact it is like a person riding an organic construct.

>>511400
I'm hoping for an alternate scenario. Either (1) by the time our bacteria hits for Zanya and Nishalm are willing to cooperate with us. Or (2) our repair work on Nishalm prompts our captors to reconsider some kind of compromise solution rendering our original escape plan unnecessary.

>>511414
my escape plan was to see if we couldn't try and convince Nokizanya to let us out after the crew went down for a nap, then hit the food storage area and raid that to build up energy then release a counter bacteria that would wipe out the first one in time then while that's going down we would try and jump ship, I mean if creators can create worlds I kinda figure they can move through the vacuum of space, or at least create something to let them do so. The reason I don't want to kill the crew of the ship is because it might actually encourage whoever sent them after us in the first place to come after us in force if we do kill them (like our bounty or something being raised) and if we spared the crew and for whatever reason were recaptured we would stand a better chance of escaping again as the crew would be more sympathetic to an escapist then a murder. plus hurting the crew might upset Nokizanya and I figured we'd want to avoid that at this point

uhh, currently spreading space germ is a knockout agent not a killer. if they don't get any attention and dehydrate they could die. but not our bug's fault.

I think we need to get preachy a little, exposit to Nokizanya the magnanimity of her action, unseen before in other Creations.

For future reference we could say something like this to Nokizanya when the bug hits
[spoiler]"I have Created an escape vector which is acting to fulfill its purpose without causing harm to natural life."

Creator 2013/05/21(Tue)18:32 No. 511937 ID: d6ae01
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>Heh heh heh. This could turn out very well for us...
>Salivate furiously
With enough energy, we would have no need of viruses and no need for diplomacy. We would be able to force our way to freedom, and perhaps to our Ultimate Creation.

We would only need enough energy to begin...

>Stick to the original plan- don't go creating a monster to try and fight your way out or anything.
...But perhaps it remains too large a risk.

>I'm a little worried how this is going, I mean this is working out FAR too well.
The universe maintains a balance-- perhaps this is a reparation for our previous suffering, or perhaps there are trials we have yet to face.

>What's the taboo exactly?
The nature of Creators is to consume previous creations and make life anew. Above all else, we must follow the natural order of things. Natural life-forms are, by definition, natural. We should not find ways to consume them, nor should we impede their progress in any way.

We are uncertain if helping this one falls under the taboo, as its suffering was itself caused by a Creator. So long as its mind remains natural, we are at least within a grey area.

Creator 2013/05/21(Tue)18:33 No. 511938 ID: d6ae01
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>Ask Nishalm if it is not worried that you were planning for them to react this way.
"You would place your faith in us? You put yourself at great risk doing so"

"Nokizanya can still zap you if you do anything too suspicious. Besides, even if you kill me right after, for one fleeting moment I'd be me again. It-- it's worth the risk."

"Then you intend for us to...?"

"Do what you need to do. Replace everything if you must. Just let me walk around on my own feet again, let me sway my tail, breathe regular air. Well, as close as it gets when in space."

We feel its emotions are overpowering its judgment.

Soon, Nokizanya returns with a large creature. Absorbing it would give us energy enough to repair Nishalm for certain.

>Although if Nishalm opts for full reconstruction it may prove necessary to inquire if it wishes to be endowed--
We place no value in such things.

...But perhaps Nishalm does.

"We can remake you as your body sees itself, or we could make some modifications."

"What?"

"We could make you more appealing. To the opposite of you."

"Um?"

Nokizanya speaks up. "I think it's asking if you want to be sexy. Maybe it wants to endow you with a big sexy tail!"

"I-- what-- I don't give a shit about that! Just make me how I was!"

>>511399
Its body shall guide our creation. Its reproductive organs will be restored without need of our knowledge.

Creator 2013/05/21(Tue)18:33 No. 511939 ID: d6ae01
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"Thanks, by the way," Nishalm says. "If you haven't been lying this whole time, then I owe you. Big time. Hell, I'd be willing to fight for you in court. Can't promise I can do much-- I'm no lawyer-- but I might be able to use my rank to at least convince them not to kill you. Maybe I can even convince them you'll be good for us."

"A slave to the creations, huh? Perhaps it would be a better fate than a forced nonexistence."

But a fate we still can not accept. We must be allowed to make our Ultimate Creation and meet our final end. It is our way.

Nokizanya presents us with our meal, and we consume without delay. For all the talk of its greatness, we do not find as much energy as we hoped from it. But it is enough. Enough to give Nishalm a new body.

"Argh-- Zanny, can you help me out? I can't fully remove this thing on my own."

"Oh, sure... but I don't think I can do that and also use the zappy button."

"Um. Hmm. Can you use your tail?"

"I... think so?"

Or enough to ensure our freedom.

Repair the FUCK out of Nishalm.

Let's repair Nishalm and work from there.

Repairs are go.

>I think it's asking if you want to be sexy.
...actually, I was more asking if it wanted a sex. Period. You know, since we couldn't tell what gender he or she started as. :V

But if we can use the original (damaged) body as a template, then nevermind. I wasn't sure we could read that kind of data from natural life forms.

>meal
What are they feeding us, anyways? Non-sentient creations from our captor's homeworld?

>what do?
Keep our word. We have a plan for escape in motion, and this buys us better odds of success, and a possible stay of execution even if we fail. ...and even in the unfortunate case of our complete failure and death, allows us to leave one last creation in the universe. Whereas if we betray them now and fail, we lose everything, and our death is certain.

And even if you betray them now and succeed? We would still fail. For having betrayed Zanya's trust, she would never help us fulfill our glorious inspiration of a world rooted in her vision. She may be naive, but there are no words to twist betraying a friend's trust right in front of her.

Remember to protect its body from the bacteria. If the creation-prosthetics go to 'sleep', the rest of the body will likely die in the same manner as if it had removed is mechanical suit.

If we have any excess energy? Try to store it to prevent it from being drained. Create a microbial creation to be re-consumed later, solely to store energy away from the zapper and hide them within your core (or if that is not feasible, hide them on Zanya, to be reclaimed later. Obviously, you would want these ones to stay with her, rather than disseminate).

fuck that, GO FOR IT

make something that can punch through the hull of the ship and fly you out to a fresh world

bring zanya so you can make the world she wants to see I guess (ignore fact that she will be horrified by these actions)

Also, reiterating we should explain to Nishlam what this means when completed. That it (or at least its replaced parts) will be vulnerable to absorption by creators (although this part is obvious). More significant to point out though, is its status as both something new (no creator has ever done this before) and its uncertain reception in a sort of grey area.

I say stick to the plan. I mean if we try and fight our way out we could maybe make 1 good creation or even 2 or 3 meteoaker ones to try and break out and then what? We'll be weak and venerable and I am almost positive that they have more then a big ass heavy door and zappy laser to stop us should we try to escape. I mean if I was to build a ship meant to house a creator with the ability to absorb the entire crew and then use there remains to create horrible monsters of war I would put in more then one big door and a non-lethal laser. Besides even if we have to fight our way out with the plan we have in motion we may not have monsters fighting for us but most if not all the crew would be knocked out from our little friends we left with them so it evens out really.

>>511939
Complete his repairs.

Fix him. Our fallback plan will be to go through with the trial, get a less-than-death sentence, then wait for their guard to inevitably drop.

It IS always nice to have a backup plan...

I want us to continue being trustworthy.

All this novelty is a good start at our job as the official Creator-Creations Galactic Senatorial Ambassador.

>>511985

This. I think we need to consider the long game. If it's part of the natural order that civilizations eventually come together to form intergalactic society's, we should consider becoming a part of that. At least for a while. I think many things about our species needs to be clarified for the other civilizations. Heal Nishalm.

As for helping other injured beings as the cost of energy, I'm not too keen on that idea. This is a special case, and should be treated as such. As great as it is to give back someones life, it comes at the cost of other life. If it helps serve our purpose of eventually being given the chance to create our ultimate life form, fine, but we are not a doctor.

also Nishalm's injuries were made by a creator, so fixing them is bringing things BACK in line. fixing someone that got shot by someone else is not our job, or call.

Pragmatically, Nishalm is still our jailor. If we decide later to betray (him/her), the energy poured into the Creation of the rest of (his/her) body would act as a nearby walking battery for us to re-consume. Gaining (his/her) trust now, regardless of our later actions, would be preferable in order to gain additional liberty.

Creator 2013/05/24(Fri)17:29 No. 512348 ID: d6ae01
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>Stick to the plan
Perhaps we're best served remaining patient. We have made it this far using subtle tactics, and we will continue to be subtle.

>fuck that, GO FOR IT
We are finding patience more and more difficult to maintain, however.

>But if we can use the original (damaged) body as a template, then nevermind. I wasn't sure we could read that kind of data from natural life forms.
Nishalm's own mind guides our energy to create anew its missing parts. This is a simple process for healing Creations, but it has never been tried with natural life before.

That it works so well is worrying. We wonder if it is truly possible to modify natural life for consumption.

>What are they feeding us, anyways?
We do not recognize these creatures. They were likely from our captors' homeworld, or from places nearby. We assume they had to collect them in a hurry when they captured us.

>As for helping other injured beings as the cost of energy, I'm not too keen on that idea.
We will be unable to make our Ultimate Creation if we do not begin saving up energy. Nishalm shall be our one exception, so long as we have a choice in the matter.

>Fix Nishalm
We expend most of our newfound energy making Nishalm whole. Nishalm is now more Creation than natural, so we are unsure whether consuming it would fall within our taboo.

Nishalm lies on the ground, gasping for air. Its breathing intensifies until we realize that it is laughing.

not Creator !TEEDashxDA 2013/05/24(Fri)17:35 No. 512352 ID: 1d8777
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It is perhaps unaware that we are not a solid being.

"Thank-- oh. Um. Heh."

"You can hug me instead!" Nokizanya offers.

"Fuck it, come here. This is so great. You're so warm. This is fantastic. You're so fluffy."

"Aww. And you're... well, smooth. Do you want to be fluffy? Can we make Nishalm fluffy?"

We consider this. "It is perhaps possible--"

"No no, hehe, thanks but no thanks. Zanny, do you mind, um, getting me an outfit? They're in storage."

"Oh, okay..."

sage not Creator !TEEDashxDA 2013/05/24(Fri)17:36 No. 512353 ID: 1d8777
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Nokizanya walks up to us and whispers, "By the way, Nishalm is female."

"Perhaps. Or perhaps Nishalm's male organ is internal."

She stares at us. We feel momentarily guilty.

She makes her way to the door, crying out "WHAT ARE YOU" as she walks past Nishalm. It laughs. Nokizanya says words we do not understand.

She stops suddenly at the door.

not Creator !TEEDashxDA 2013/05/24(Fri)17:37 No. 512354 ID: 1d8777
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"...."

"...De-- The Demon's loose! The Demon's free! Someone help!"

We hear the sound of footsteps.

Remain passive. Let Nokizanya handle it and spread the infection.

At this point you will gain the most by making them realize that you are not some horrible monster that you have been made out to be. I know its hard to be patient but you don't have the energy to fight the ship.

>We wonder if it is truly possible to modify natural life for consumption.
...would we even want to? That would completely change the natural order if a creator could consume and remake anything. That's too much power for any one being. The temptation alone could drive one to madness. It would be wrong.

>Nishalm is now more Creation than natural, so we are unsure whether consuming it would fall within our taboo.
Well, as a natural life form, we would not wish to harm Nishalm unless we had no other choice. And as a creation, Nishalm is new, and we consume old creations forms. Either way, it is not something we would wish to consume.

>The Demon's free! Someone help!
I am no demon, and I have not escaped. You have foolishly opened the door to my cell without checking if the inner chamber were open, first.

I suggest you calm yourself and shut the door, creation.

Zanya, you may wish to attempt to interceded. I have not yet resorted to violent means, but if they attack me, I will.

(...the creations should have really designed your cell such that the outer door was inoperable while the inner door is open. I mean, come on, they must have invented airlocks for their space vessel, right? And there should be protocol, and guards, preventing idiotic pop-ins like this. They really didn't think this through).

float back into the main cell.

Just stay in the cell for now I'm sure once they realize you're not doing anything they will regain some commen sense once there minds are no longer controlled by fear... Hopefully

yes they could have a cache of weapons capable of hurting us, once they are all knocked out by the germ we will have free reign.

>>512354
Ask if the Demon is edible.

>>512380
Yes. Offer to help fend off this 'demon', oblivious to the fact that he means you.

>>512354
How fast can we move? The door is open and both of our usual captors are distracted... Wait, if we're not solid, can't we just float through walls? Well, this is probably a bad situation to stage an attack in. We don't have enough energy for an effective means of defending ourselves.

On the other hand, I am concerned for Nishalm's safety. He/she is unrecognizable now. If we are to use their debt to us as a backup plan, we can't allow the crew to mistake them for a creature we just created. They'd kill him/her. To avoid this, Zanya might want to shut the door and lock it then explain the situation.

Creator 2013/05/29(Wed)16:19 No. 513457 ID: d6ae01
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>>512362
Our thoughts have gone to strange places in light of this other Creator. We dare not question the natural order, and yet we find ourselves...

>>512386
We cannot float through things that are airtight, like these walls.

>Yes. Offer to help fend off this 'demon', oblivious to the fact that he means you.
"A demon has escaped? Allow us to aid you in its capture."

"What? I mean you! Don't be all tricky!"

"But we have not escaped--"

"Yes you have! You're escaped right now!"

"We are still inside this room, and quite powerless. We would suggest calming yourself and closing the door, crea--"

Strange...

Creator 2013/05/29(Wed)16:20 No. 513458 ID: d6ae01
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Nokizanya shuts the door. We hear a voice coming from one of their machines on the wall.

"Hey! Open the door! Fezhe, get this unlocked!"

"Sir, I've accessed the cameras. Shit, the demon's already made something! We need to torch it before it--"

"Hold," Nishalm says. "It's just me."

"Commander? What the hell happened to you?"

"It... this being made me whole again. It means us no harm."

"By Hrea's beak, it's got to you! Come on, commander, fight it! Break free of its mind control!"

"My mind is still my own, I assure you," Nishalm says with a strange calmness.

"Then you'll open this door! You know what that thing's done! What they made you suffer!"

"That was a different one! This one's not bad!" Nokizanya interjects. "It's really nice-- it fixed Nishalm! It doesn't want to hurt anyone!"

Creator 2013/05/29(Wed)16:21 No. 513460 ID: d6ae01
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>>512356
>>512358
"Look, I'm pretty sure this one's different. It gave me a new body. It let me feel things again, and I--"

The door opens. We float back, looking as passive as possible.

"Over-ride successful, sir!"

"Yes, I see that, thanks. Everyone, take aim!"

Nishalm stands between them and us.

"Wait! listen to--"

"Not while it's controlling you! The tribal girl must have let it out to-- shit, these things can affect naturals? Everyone, we need to neutralize the threat!"

"You're not listening!" Nishalm cries out. "It's not controlling me!"

"We can't chance it-- It could attack us at any second! Now move out of the way!"

"I refuse!"

"Me too!" Nokizanya says, moving to block them further.

"If you give us no choice..."

They are creations. We could absorb them while they are distracted, though we would do so at the cost of the trust Nishalm and Nokizanya have put in us.

Absorb their weapon arms, but seal the wound so they don't bleed out.

"We will restore your extremities once you have calmed yourselves."

move back into the main cell area.
"close the door, i am waiting. yes, i WANT you to lock me back in."

Probably still best to wait for the weakness to kick in. Loudly announce that you're moving back into your cell while you do so.

Well, that's a bit too high a cost I think. Tell them that the only thing you've done is show good will, a concept which seems to be incomprehensible to them. Apparently civilization doesn't serve to make them more civilized than Nokizanya. If they want proof, they need only note that they are still there.

the bacteria that we put on Nokizanya, think we could activate them a little earlier then we had planed, if not could you just drain the energy off of them without actually absorbing them? Because that would give you some energy and still keep the trust you have earned. Failing that you could grab one and threaten the others that if they don't drop there guns then you will live up to there expectations and if they agree to listen to you then hot damn problem averted drop the guy and we can talk this out. If all else fail our goal was to get out of here alive so if no other choice remains, well chow time I guess.

On the bright side our little bacteria has probably just infect the most if not the whole crew now and if we are simply put back into our cage it is almost guaranteed that the whole ship will be effect by the time the germ acts. Assuming we can't just active it now.

>>513465
Changing vote to this, actually.
If we do this, suggest Nishalm retreat into the cell as well. Otherwise, they'll just figure he's gonna turn on them and it's all part of the plan to get them to let their guard down.

Engaging them now is not safe. Our ability to absorb them without being hit by enemy fire is not certain. The likelihood of Zanya or Nishalm being injured or killed on our behalf is also unacceptably high.

Retreat to your inner cell and announce to the creations that you are not currently attempting to escape, and you would appreciate it if they did not fire on your keepers. And that if they attempt to injure themor yourself, you will attempt to absorb them, and escape.

Furthermore, you cannot alter natural creations. What you have done for Nishalm is to create organic prosthesis to replace its mechanical ones. They function far better and integrate more seamlessly than the mechanical ones, but you have not fundamentally altered Nishalm. Nor are you controlling him.

If they are worried Nishalm is a security risk, they may contain it with you, or elsewhere on the ship.

Furthermore, you would like to point out this entire operation is incredibly sloppy and misunderstands like this could be avoided by the implementation of common sense security protocols- like not opening the out door to your cell when the inner door is open. (The goal here is to shock them with their own stupidity, and into accepting you aren't trying to bust free at the moment. Hopefully keeping your allies alive at the cost of slightly increased security).

>>513460
The Creations are about to shoot them! Protect your friends.

Quick! Create a tree, then have it fall on top of those overzealous crewmembers!

>>513460
I vote for strangling them + scolding them.

I also vote for activating their bacterium.

Protect them only if it comes to that. We don't want to endanger them by acting before the crew is asleep. We will need their help and trust if we are going to escape.

>>513473
>The goal here is to shock them with their own stupidity, and into accepting you aren't trying to bust free at the moment.

That will fail, as they have entered into a state of paranoid idiocy only seen (justifiably) in WH40K.

Could you seal the inner door yourself, thereby locking yourself back into your cell?

Float back into your cell. At the same time ask Nokizanya and Nishalm to please step aside and not place themselves in harm's way for your sake.

If you can press the control to close the cell door with one tendril as you pass through the doorway and pull the tendril back in before it closes, then do so. Otherwise move to the back of the cell, and ask that they close it.

There is another reason to move back into your cell. If they do start shooting, then a cell meant to contain you and your energies will provide excellent protection from their energy weapons. You just have to float to the side and up so they don't have a line of fire on you.

>>513464
Destroy their weapons.

A point of interest: we've now seen four different sapient creations, all with wildly divergent biology. Is this... normal for a created world? I initially thought we had been captured by one space-faring creation-species, but this looks more like a collations between creations of different worlds- and likely from different creators.

>might be a way for a creator to absorb natural life forms
Well, let me throw this out there. A creator can fully absorb the body of a creation- convert the matter into energy?

Well, what happens when more biomass enters the system? Don't created plants take inorganic minerals, compounds, and chemicals and incorporate them into themselves? Can't creations eat natural organic material?

Functionally, the spread and growth of creations throughout space serves to convert inorganic mater and natural lifeforms into creation-biomass creators are capable of shaping.

>>513497
I don't think the creator has any influence on inorganic materials.

>>513460
Maybe the Commander knows some command codes to override ship control and lock the door?

Maybe the Creator can resonate his voice to the wavelength of the Created, and reference Terry Pratchett by SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS DIRECTLY TO THEIR SPIRITS?

>>513499
of course, this particular example would be a creation eating a natural. making monsters on a un-inhabited planet and naturals come to the planet and then get eaten is regrettable but the carnivore creations were not specifically made to eat natural life. that part is important. making something dangerous with full knowledge that it would highly probably be a threat to naturals is bad. but if it's safe as long as they don't go looking for the creation it's fine.
you can't complain about bombs being dangerous when you are the one trying to set it off.

>>513460
Wait a second isn't altering a creation's mind against our taboo.

Yeah, I agree with plan go back to cell.

>>513521
They've been shown to be capable of breaking it.

they are assuming worst case scenario due to being scared out of their minds because one touch is all we need to unmake them.

>>513527
>scared out of their minds because one touch is all we need to unmake them.

Let's go grapple them, fling the weapons out of their hands, slam them against the wall, gag them, and politely request their civility until they asphyxiate or agree.

>>513544
that would work IF they were the only ones around, we have no idea how many may be around the corner.

>>513544
We're incorporeal.

If they are that distracted you might as well wait in your cell for them to finish their argument. When an opportunity presents itself tell them it is rude to talk about someone as if they were not there and ask them to shut the door if they are going to continue, it is getting drafty with both doors open.

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>Disable the weapons!
We cannot affect the weapons directly.

>Return to the cell!
We interrupt their 'discussion'. "We mean you no harm," we say loudly. "We will return to our cell"

"Holy shit, those things can talk!?"

"Of course they can talk, you idiot."

We float backwards into our cell. "There is no need for--"

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We hear the sounds of electricity. Nokizanya and Nishalm fall to the floor.  

....

They have not reached their end; they are merely unconscious. We feel... relieved.

We still require Nokizanya for our plan to succeed, if only to let us out of our prison later.
 
"Okay, Bind the Tribal and take her to the interrogation room," the taller one says.
 
"What about Nishalm?"
 
"Honestly, I think it's too far gone. We'll have to euthanize it."

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>>513508
>Have Nishalm join us in the cell
We have created something truly unique-- a hybrid of natural life and created life. We did so to undo the wrongs of another Creator. The thought of having our efforts unceremoniously destroyed fills us with anger.

We speak with the authority befitting a 'demon' such as us. "You will not. It has done nothing to deserve such a fate. You will leave it in here with us." 

"Get them out of here. Rookie, cover me. Shoot it if it does anything." The tall one approaches the door control panel-- It means to lock us back in. The small one holds a device in its hand unsteadily, almost unsure of how to work it.
 
The feathered one drags Nokizanya and Nishalm from the room.
 
If we wait, Nishalm will likely be euthanized, but if we act, our plan may fall apart. We...
 
We do not know what to do.

Act. Though it means our plan has failed I do not wish a natural to die for our own actions. The one staying behind is new and scared. Merely acting aggressive will most likely get it to panic. Move towards it and then to the side. Consume the arm holding the gun and then attack the one at the door panel. Comsume that one in its entirity.

rush em. weave to dodge attack and strike.

>>514246
Consume the one about to lock you in. Use the power to create something immediately to help you fight, and consume the rookie. Upgrade the warrior we created- give it a ranged weapon- and keep moving. Chase down the one carrying Nishalm. Revive him/her, I'm sure that is within your power, and then go after Nokizanya.

They have invoked our wrath and they shall pay the price.

>>514256
This.

Alright. Analysis time.

In one sense, the stubborn hostility of our captors works in our favor. When our disease takes effect, the naturals will be much more willing to assist us in our escape than they would be otherwise. Cruelly, even Nishalm's death would work to our favor- it would virtually guarantee Zanya's cooperation.

Cold logic aside though, it would not be right to allow Nishalm to die in an attempt to manipulate Zanya. Nor would it be right to allow a natural life form to die to further our own ends, and it is needlessly cruel for Nishalm to perish just as it regained all it had lost.

You should act.

For the first step, take the creature locking your cell hostage. You can bully the smaller, uncertain one into acting as your messenger- it is not likely it will be willing to fire if it would mean the death of its companion.

Your message is that you were only willing to return to your cell because you did not wish for the natural life forms to be harmed. However, if they intend to destroy Nishalm, this changes things. Attempt to exchange your hostage for Nishalm, and/or its safety.

...and for goodness sake, don't they have security cameras or anything? Review the footage leading up to our restoration.

If this tactic fails, we will be forced to assume a more aggressive stance, absorbing the creations and going on an offensive.

>>514256
>Consume the one about to lock you in.
Amendment: Partially Drain his energy to shock him into unconsciousness. All it should take is a quick flick of one of your tendrils.

>nonlethal
>equally effective
>creates hostage

You can pump a smidgen of Power into him to enervate him for hostage purposes.

> hostage purposes
Considering what we just saw, I'm pretty sure hostages are not going to work AT ALL here.

god dammit ok new plan, we're going to do a snatch and grab

The plan is to find Nokizanya and Nishalm grab both of them and try to get the hell off of this ship, if anyone get's in your way consume them if you have to, once we get off this ship we shouldn't have to worry to much about them following us as I'm sure our little bacteria is all over this ship by now and will probably knock them all out shortly after we leave so at least that germ wasn't a complete waste seeing as how we almost died from making it.

>>514276
What they reacted to was Nishalm in a new body, one that could easily have been programmed to serve its Creator.

Grabbing a random shmuck and letting him vocally panic and flail is a much different presentation; less reason for them to consider the threat of possession, if that's even possible for us.

Yeah go all out. Those two are our best bet for finishing your masterpiece and if we let them get carted off now we might never see them again. Plus side they are unconscious so cant see what we are about to do.

>>514276
They value their own lives, and those of each other. They don't care about Nishalm because they rationalize it is mind controlled and as good as dead already.

The problem with force is, once used, we cannot take it back. Once we kill (absorb) any of them, they're not going to stop until we're dead. Meaning our only option will be to take the entire ship by force, or die trying- which is not impossible, or even unlikely. We don't know the layout of this ship or the details of all the countermeasures, and they may not be as incompetent in direct military tactics as they have proven in containment protocols (Good squad tactics and ranged weapons could kill us before we build up enough to be unstoppable. Or even if we pass that point, they might have a self destruct to deny us sucess). Our success would be rather uncertain, and there is no guarantee we would even recover the natural life forms alive. (They might just shoot them on the spot, for fear they would recover and aid us).

Whereas- if we successfully pull off a hostage trade, it has several advantages. First of all, it demonstrates we are capable of choosing not to kill them when given opportunity. Secondly- it shows that we value the lives of the naturals (and anything beyond merely consuming and creating). Meaning our captors are therefore incentivised to keep them alive- as a control mechanism. Then all we would need do is wait for the sickness to take effect.

And if a negotiation fails, there absorption and creation both appears to be relatively rapid processes. There is nothing stopping us from falling back to violence and consuming the hostage(s).

>>514291
good points all around.
hostage take.

I think the "good" or "right" thing to do in our moral sense is now mirrored in your sense of protecting your unique creation... I think you are already seeing it as part of your ultimate one, because of its uniqueness while also being functional and happy, right?

>>514291
>Meaning our captors are therefore incentivised to keep them alive- as a control mechanism. Then all we would need do is wait for the sickness to take effect.
Yes, perfect. Go with this.

You have created with Nishalm a being truly unique in the history of the Universe, and in doing so paid back a debt that was thought impossible. While perhaps not your Ultimate Creation, what you did with Nishalm is worthy to be your penultimate one, and you shall not let it perish from this Universe right at its birth. You will act to protect it!

Whatever you do to act, you must get through that door before it closes without being shot. You have shown an ability to create light and sound, but how strongly, with how much control, and how far away? Could you create a sudden brilliant flash of light to blind the small Creation aiming at you, then dim yourself so it can't see you, dodge to the right and slip through the door after it fires?

If you can't make a flash of light that bright, then could you create a chaotic cover of colors in the doorway when you make your move? You could even reposition it outwards as you move through the doorway to keep it between you and the small Creation, or even envelop its head in them.

But if you can't do any of that, you'll just have to dodge right and forward as quick as you can and squeeze yourself through the closing door near the feathered Creation so it'll provide some cover from the small one's shots.

Once you're in contact with the feathered Creation, immediately temporarily paralyze its limbs if you can, and just energy drain it to knock it out if you can't. Then hide from the small one's shots behind the bulk of the feathered one as it falls to the ground. Paralysis of the limbs is preferable, since it leaves the Creation able to speak and show it has not been altered in the mind.

Now, the hostage plan looks to be about the best option right now, but it hinges greatly on how far these Creations will go to keep you caged before they start aiming to destroy you instead. A good indication would be if they try to shoot you through the feathered Creation, but even if they don't fire you need to know more, for they may be gathering their forces instead. You'll have to look into the mind of the feathered Creation, but only if you can do it without damaging it, without it knowing you did or being obvious about it to onlookers. Look for its orders and protocol, what it knows of how its comrades would react, and what capabilities they can bring to bear against you.

If what you see in its mind shows they will not trade your hostage for Nishalm, then you will have to move on to saving it directly. But remember: No consuming the Creations here, no altering their minds, and only make minimal changes to their bodies that you can reverse or will go back on their own. Even though they are not wholly unique, they are unique in small ways, and you will do what you will here without destroying that.

Oh, and if they will negotiate, don't ask for Nishalm to be placed in your cell, since in their eyes you could remake it into a Creation that might be able to break you out. You'll have to ask for it to be placed in a containment cell within view and speaking distance of you.