I'm hoping that it's temporary.

Probably will be. We'll vote on it.

So how do you plan on the whole Civ aspect to work?
The research on the Intellipumas and Squirrels must have taken 2 or 3 turns; will we go back in time from the start of the work with Scar and do everything else, with the knowledge that a lot of our resources are taken up by the research until the two timelines synch up? Or just expand back up to the Civ aspect now where we're dealing with Fin's lovesick girlfriend?

We'll start with Fin's love sick girlfriend. Fuck but it is wierd woking with a normal computer after being only ps3 for so long.

Main benefit is the map I'm making right now.

brotherofsteel!lnanIRPeSk 2012/08/28(Tue)10:02 No. 59455 ID: 82967c
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https://twitter.com/ZacharyMHines oh and my fucking twitter account.

What's that thing between the Hole and Love's Rest?

Also, are we starting soon?

What is the red text on the outlines? I can't read it too well.

You know, I thought New Boston was MUCH closer to Salvation City. I didn't realize that New Washington as between there and NB.

At least now, we have more places we can send scout teams to explore.

Also, we need those expanded facilities for food and water at New Boston. With the number of slaves kept at the Colosseum, we can't handle that influx of new immigrants.

We need to deal with Colosseum. Preemptive strike anyone?

OP alive?

>>59463
Yes, we need to deal with the Colosseum, but we need to be able to handle the fallout from it.
For example, all of those slaves. If we just let them go, where will they go? Most will likely be absorbed into Samson's Army, giving him a massive boost in manpower.
And this comes at a time when we're trying to expand ourselves and need more manpower.
To get those new immigrants and be able to support them, we need to increase our capacity at New Boston before we attack the Colosseum.

As for OP, he said he's in the path of the hurricane, so maybe power got knocked out.

okay, red text to the south says "The screaming ruins." That blob around "fort endurance?" that's the "coke forest" The one near Alhambra "The salt flat wastes" That bit between the love nest and the hole is "Gen Pla" you'll have to investigate it if you want to learn more.

yes first map sucks. I'll do better next time.

>>59465

Yes, but what if we seize the infrastructure of the Colosseum? They got to be feeding themselves somehow. That way we keep things going after the takeover.

FE's woman could be our ticket to infiltrating the city. Bribe her with some low level cybernetics in exchange for helping us get in relatively unopposed.

If we can't trust Samson to help us takeover, we could use Alambra. Maybe even let them initiate the takeover, with us supporting them. That way, we can keep our full capabilities secret for a while longer.

>>59467
I actually made a bit clearer version, I can post if you want.

>>59469

With the priestess's help, our special ops teams and squirrels can strike the Colosseum's armories and other defensive centers. We then move in with a combined force of Alhambra and American Union soldiers. Once the slavers have all been killed or subdued, we set up a temporary government that includes former slaves and our own "advisers."

>>59469
We'd have to take over the Colosseum, and if we engage in a combined operation with Samson, I don't think he'll like it much since he's also looking to expand his nation.
What's in it for Alhambra? They're already a prosperous, wealthy trade hub. They may not like slavers but that doesn't mean that they're going to go out of their way to alienate an entire market for their goods and services.

Also you're forgetting that the woman is a Faith priestess. She follows Fin around because she sees him as a Saint of Murder; she's going to want combat augs and I'm leery about giving a fanatic of a religion that says you should kill people for fun and not profit, combat implants.

>>59470
I like you. Do so please.

>>59471
I'd say we should take the Colosseum ourselves, and once taken, rename it to New Philadelphia.
Treat it as a new state, with the slaves given the same choice as we gave the slaves we freed before: stay and be a citizen, go home, or join up with Samson.

Anonymous 2012/08/28(Tue)12:56 No. 59476 ID: d5dec8
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>>59473
Hope it works.
Also. We should focus on increasing food capabilities right now, not the colesium
>>59465
I agree with him

>>59472

War spoils, a percentage of future profits, exclusive contracts, and other promises could be used to get Alhambra on our side. We could also tell them that Samson will probably want to takeover the Colosseum and if we don't act together none of us will get a piece of the pie.

The faith priestess can get her implants and more. Put in a explosive fail-safe just in case.

>>59477
The problem is whether they have enough vehicles for their infantry.
Yes, they've got guns, lots of them. And bullets for those guns. But do they have the vehicles to transport those troops they can spare?
They'd be visible long before they got into engagement range and our surprise would be spoiled.
Our troops in New Boston can attack at night, with a full mechanized force, in under 3 hours.

We can also afford to have New Boston relatively undefended because we can have our tribal client states send some defenders, and the built in defenses are more than enough to deter any casual raiders.
And we can have Scar do some garrison duty.

>>59465

The problem with that is that the Colosseum already feeds itself. If we takeover with minimal damage, it will continue feeding itself. It might also be profitable once the slavers are taken out of the equation.

I for one don't like the idea of Samson completely blocking us off from the West, which will happen if he controls the Colosseum.

>>59476
WOW. way to put me to shame anon. I say that with love. Care to post a template for that grid?

oh, and the threads up in quest.

>>59478

Can we transport Alhambra's soldiers? If we move our troops in waves, we might be OK with a vehicle shortage.

Also, destroying the Colosseum's armories and watchtowers with special ops and squirrel teams would make even an obvious attack have much higher chance of success.

>>59480
Workin on template.

>>59479
But is the coliseum growing its own food or is it trading for the majority of its food from the profit I would imagine the coliseum would give?

>>59481
The squirrels can time their attack to coincide with ours. But that can't be done if we have to match a footslogger's pace.
We can do more with the soldiers we have, if we use them effectively.

>>59477
explosive failsafes are totally a possibility!

>>59481
500 jeeps, 400 Humvees, 300 APCs, 200MBts, 25 motorised howitzers, 50 Vertibirds. majority of these are stored in the New Washington base, all of these run off power cells.

So I don't think vehicles are a problem.

Might wanna use the jeeps for allies if you wanna hide your power level.

>>59483
My body is ready!

You don't know enough about the colliseum's finances to know if they're trading or growing food.

They do have a decent sized farm plot though.

>>59486

Are we going to use this thread or the other one?

Okay defending via tribals... you have 2000 tribals you could levy(ie?) for that. The spiritual tribes are still doing their thing so you may want to look at them.

Anonymous 2012/08/28(Tue)13:32 No. 59490 ID: d5dec8
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>>59487
We should really figure that out before then.

>>59490
>>59488
I'm goinna have fun with that template.

This thread is for discussion, arguements, whatever.

the other thread is for the quest, ideally we use them both.

Also, its Finn's skill as a killer, his ferocity in battle, and his animal magnetism that she likes, his implants are incdidental to that equation.

>>59491
With a combination of using tribal defenders and Scar's Intellipumas, we should be fine in regards to defending New Boston.

Now, we know how much land that the Colosseum is using for farmland. If we can find out how fertile their crop is, we should be able to determine crop output, and therefore, if they can feed all of the people there.

The squirrels of the Coke Forest are known to be black, and we dyed their fur red.
Are squirrels of their size seen normally outside of the forest, especially in the area of the Colosseum?

If the Colosseum is dependent on food imports we could solve that problem with enlisting the help of Alhambra and the Tribals, both ally and neutral. In exchange for exclusive trade contracts, they ship excess food to the Colosseum.

The priestess can be made to talk. We either can FE earn her loyalty, have our Tribals torture her, use one of the pumas to read her mind, or flat out lie to her about our intentions. If we're successful, we'll know where their armories and watchtowers are so our stealth teams can demolish them.

Our own forces could probably take them. However, we don't want to show our hand. Using the Tribals and/or Alhambra, we can beat with only small part of our real power.

>>59494
I support earning her loyalty. I'm quite a fan of this priestess. We should keep her around

>>59493
The squirrels seen outside the forest are larger, dumber, and more vicuious. you only keep an eye on them because they'll steal you food. most people have a shoot on sight policy.

>>59494
The only psychic is Scar, and the form of psychic reading he does involves swapping memories. I don't want that fanatic's mind anywhere near an 8+ ton living MBT.

With the usage of our howitzers, the destruction of armories, the placement of explosive charges at military barracks, I think we can take the Colosseum using the full military force of New Boston without revealing the capabilities of New Washington.

>>59495

FE could take her under his wing I suppose. I still support put an explosive failsafe on her. Maybe one of those collars the slavers use.

Maybe having the Colosseum dependent on food imports isn't so bad. If we can arrange for them to be supplied, they'll be more supportive of joining the American Union.

>>59498
We should talk to the lord protector about that then. He owes us one.

Alhambra wants help with food and water pipes? We should help them. I'm a bit leery about the requirements for military aid though. We want to help them, yes, but we also want them to join us. We should help with the supplies, but turn down the military requirements.

We should see about find who the Colosseum trades with. If we can get them on our side, we could keep the place supplied with food.

BOS mentioned that the Colosseum has its own farms. How much of their own population can they keep going? Even if it's only a small amount, we could boost it through own excessive food along with the tribes and Alhambra.

I think we should work with Alhambra. They're naturally reluctant to work with us, but if we show them the benefits of continued cooperation they'll be more amiable to joining the American Union.

>>59500
Yeah, I agree about being leery of military assistance.
We can probably take the Colosseum ourselves if we do it right.
Use our squirrels and our covert ops unit to sabotage the Colloseum's defenses, then attack them in the night with all the forces at New Boston (except T-51d and AMK2), Roughriders, and Tribal Auxiliaries. Some tribal defenders and Intellipumas should be enough to defend New Boston against raiders dumb enough to try fighting us.

>>59504

How about instead of military assistance we offer them electricity? We could use the alien generator to increase our own power output and shunt the excess to them.

Also, be sure to the trade deals exclusive two-way. We want them to become dependent on us, not the other way around.

I think we should use Alhambra militarily. Just because we can take and hold the Colosseum without their help doesn't mean we should. We'll be expending less of own resources and hiding our full capabilities if we go with a joint assault.

In addition to the above, we should make finding out who the Colosseum trades with a priority. If the Colosseum are being asses, we could offer them an alternative. If not, we could destroy or confiscate trade goods to put the hurt on them.

>>59507
But to get their military assistance, they want trade rights that favor them, instead of balanced, the and free reign over selling "civilized goods." I think the exclusive two way was a given though. If we can take it on our own, we should. Then use what else they wanted for later bargaining if we can.

>>59509

Like I said, we could offer electricity as an alternative to the terms.

>>59510
Sorry, misread that. I'm game for it.

Hmm, I don't like building infrastructure for people not directly under our control.

How about we offer them more electricity, DESIGNS for the infrastructure they want, and trade deals for some of our non-military advanced technology.

For that, we should be able to at least get food and water from them. Maybe even some military assistance with the understanding that they get some of spoils of war.

If we want to close the loyalty gap with the priestess, she already said that the only way is for us to prove we can kill more and better than the Colosseum. When we wipe them out and take over, I think that will prove us to her.
And yes, it seems we only got as far with her as we did because Fin was the one asking.

As for other methods of gaining her trust and loyalty, she is a fanatic. We have to either spend months deprogramming her, or fit within her worldview. She's not concerned with who wins or loses; it's all about who can kill more and with more zeal.

>>59516

Then we show her how much better killers we are. Do a weapons display. Show the big guns. Kill things. Taker her on a raiding trip against the Colosseum and make her watch as we we slaughter her fellows. We are better killers and anyone who isn't a fool can see that.

>>59517
But do we enjoy it? Do we kill because it's pleasurable?
Fin does, and that's why the Priestess is so enamored with him.
Even if we kill more than the Colosseum does, we would still be apostates in her eyes, like Khul.

>>59518

Fine. We can't get her on our side and we can't read her mind. That leaves torture, oh wait "enhanced interrogation." We need what's in her head and we need it now.

>>59519
Or, y'know, just have Fin lead the raiding parties.

>>59521

How will that do anything? We need her information on the Colosseum's defenses and capabilities.

>>59519
We don't even know if the information we need is in her head.
She was a priestess of the Faith. If we want military information concerning defenses, locations of garrisons and armories, then we would be better served capturing the Colosseum slaver and raider parties and getting the information out of them.

We can also do long-range observation via our covert ops team, to build a map of the city that our squirrels can use to confirm targets.

>>59523
...get that logic outa here.
But yeah, that does make more sense. I support this plan.

>>59523

She's a priest in a society which exalts ritual warfare and bloodshed. It'd be unrealistic if she was any less knowledgeable than the warrior she leads into battle.

Now if you don't want her to be interrogated for moral purposes, I understand. It's just that if we don't, we're taking a risk when send in our scouts. Especially when we don't know their capabilities and the likelihood of our guys being detected once inside.

>>59525
I honestly don't think that she has the information we want, and that raiders and slavers, who would have first-hand knowledge of the armories and barracks by writ of using them and living in them, are a better source of information.

>>59526

If we're not going to interrogate her, then I suggest we don't capture anyone for interrogation. Once the news gets out that we're taking people, the slavers will prepare and our information will be outdated. Better to send in our own people, even with the risk of being captured or killed.

>>59527
That news shouldn't get out, because we don't leave survivors. As for bodies, the wargs need to be fed on meat, and I assumed Fin was feeding bodies to the wargs to keep them fed.

>>59528
Also, these are wolves the size of horses.
I think their energy requirements, as well as jaw size, would make them eating human bodies to the point where without modern medical forensics it would be not possible to determine how many people were involved.

>>59528

I highly doubt there will ever be "no survivors." If the slavers have radios, if one leaves to go take a shit, and never mind some escape, the rest will learn we're taking captives. First they'll make sure to move everything they can, including armories and garrisons. Next they'll start traveling in larger groups. Thirdly, it's unrealistic that they'll tolerate constant raids for over a month. They'll respond with an attack. It'll probably be repulsed but still, our enemies aren't stupid nor are they fools.

>>59530
We already spent a month of killing their slaver and raider parties, 75 dead slavers in all.
I think they know we're targeting them.

>>59531

75 dead isn't a lot for a organization their size. They controlled at least two cities before we came here. They probably lost that many every month or so, what with the giant critters and hostile natives.

No, once we start attacking them consistently, they'll know that someone is targeting. They'll start traveling in larger groups up a few hundred, stay in radio contact, and probably retreat in face of superior firepower.

>>59532
We already put up those heads along our trade route.
Their spies have in all likelihood already reports on it.

So far, they appear to have chosen simply attacking the trade caravans beyond our defensive envelope and accepting that some parties won't come back as being the cost of business.

I suspect we have binoculars / telescopes, and we have vertibirds. Fly around the coliseum at a safe distance, and observe the camp. Find the targets, note their location. Armed with this knowledge, have sneaky teams go in to confirm/destroy targets.

>>59533

That still doesn't mean that they won't know we're taking prisoners. Hell, they might already know we've taken the priestess.

Also, the whole "no survivors" thing is pretty stupid when they have radios. The only thing that could prevent them from spreading the word is if they were all killed in under a minute. Very unlikely with large groups.

>>59535

Anyway, I think we shouldn't waste FE by sending him to hunt down slavers. Better yet, have him track their trading parties and find out who they're trading with.

The priestess should be put to work. Let's see how reluctant she'll be to talk after a months worth of hard labor

>>59535
They're unlikely to have radios, though.
Samson having backpack radios was considered to be a very unusual thing.

>>59537

Yes, because Samson appeared to only have early industrial age capability. The slavers might have more.

>>59538
Our radio tower hasn't detected any radio transmissions besides ours and Samson's though.

>>59539

Fair enough. I still think it's optimistic to believe that they won't notice that we're taking people alive. It's very hard to kill a large party of people, especially when they can hide, run, or both.

This isn't like Salvation City where Samson had the slavers boxed in and helpless. These people are very much capable of striking out and hurting us. That's why we have to finish them off quickly or else we'll risk a much longer conflict.

>>59534
Hate to point to myself, but this just seems much easier.

>>59541

Yes, much less riskier. I support this.

>>59540
>It's very hard to kill a large party of people, especially when they can hide, run, or both.
Normally, that would be the case.
The difference is, they're on foot while we're mounted, so they can't run. They can't hide, because this is the Midwest wasteland, so it's just open plain. And finally, these are worgs, so we essentially are tracking them with dogs.
We also have better weapons, too.

>>59543

What happens when one or more of the slavers are mounted?

>>59544
Worg keeps up with the horse long enough for either the horse to tire, or the rider to take a shot with a laser rifle at the horse.

>>59545

So wolves now have better endurance than horses? What happened to predators being burst runners?

you guys still here?

>>59549
Yeah, argument is mostly about after attack though. Other thread has suggestion up so I think were waiting for BrotherOfSteel.

>>59546
I admit that the horse would probably have an advantage if the chase went on too long.

But wolves achieve speeds of 50-60km/h.
Horses average about 40-48km/h.

I'll admit that with the increased size and stride of the worg, I don't know what its max speed will be.
Unless the raiders are using race horses rather than the more common riding horses, they likely won't be able to outrun a worg.

>>59550

This whole argument is no longer valid now that binoculars and vertibirds have been introduced into the equation.

Since we don't need FE for hunting down raiders, we can use him to track down trading parties. Hopefully we'll find out who they trade with and how much of a threat if any they are.

Before he goes, maybe we get the priestess to tell us more about her people. Nothing that will make her betray her people, only information on their society. Afterword we can either let her go (her people won't be much of threat after the attack) or we can put her into a forced labor camp with the rest of the slavers.

>>59552
Nah man, shes been helping us, we should let her become a citizen. Maybe watched citizen, but still.

>>59553

I'm not so sure. She respects FE but I doubt she'll ever respect us. If she doesn't respect us, there's nothing keeping her from going to back to the old ways. Better to put her into forced labor for a few months and release her on good behavior later.

>>59552
wait i thought she is finn thing?

>>59554
I suppose that makes sense, but I mean, she would also do perfect as a part of the Worg Cavalry. So many options...

>>59556

Do we really want someone who kills for pleasure and isn't loyal to us fighting for us? FE may kill because he likes it but he's loyal and he's one of us. She's an outsider.

A few months of labor will do her good. She'll be used to following orders by then.

>>59557
Alright, as long as this ends with wolf mounted warrior priestess, I suppose I'm happy

>>59557
so i suppose lets do that.

Now all we need is BoS back

>>59560
what happened?

>>59561
I dunno power outage maybe? Hasn't posted in awhile. Tends to give some feedback

I'm not sure why you've got this attitude of "tgchan people are going to hate me for posting a quest here". that's what tgchan is for. there have been so many /tg/ quests that moved here. No one cares about that. Enjoy your quest community.

>>59560

This wouldn't be the first time BoS has abandoned a quest. Fineas was the main character of his last one.

>>59574
well then we can just go bother his twitter account then

I'm back, apologies for leaving I swear to fuck I laid my head down for 10 seconds and then I was gone. gimme a second to orient myself.

>>59577
HUZZAH

>>59534
>>59535
>>59539
>>59543
>>59545
>>59554
"tgchan hates me" was a jab at my own worthiness to run quests.

The priestess is only loyal to Finn, and possibly to other people who enjoy killing. She's crazy as hell and in love with him. She's also from a society that values warriors and spits upon any tech that isn't useful, her main roll is use of "secret arts" (I.E. basic surgery, first aid, and applied chemistry) to heal the sick and wounded. Her people evade the klingon doctor hate by making their priests doctors. No she can't be trusted, and yes the only reason she told you anything was because she loves Finn

There are actually radio signals, but my insomnia caught up with me before I mentioned that. Was like, the next thing I was gonjna do, then I lay my head down. "how the fuck'd I get in bed?" In short you're recieving propaganda and military broadcasts to the effect of "Divine glory to grid 12A" The slavers Finn killed had radios on them hand set models very well crafted.

Well then, wolf mounted warrior priestess under FE's command!

TG chan's actually a pretty cool place, I just don't spend that much time here.

Where was I...? Oh the radios, they has small circles stamped into the metal. These circles have 13 stars and a large "C" imprinted inside them. It's assumed, and confirmed by the murder priestess, that these are trade items. All patrols have at least one of them.

The worg raiders do leave a lot in the way of corpses and shit behind, the Slavers don't care because they're a barely organized mob and 75 casualties is "a good day" for them. They have reserves. If you wanna drive them out of the colliseum you have to break their spirit and force them to retreat.

Alhambra is willing to provide you with enough food and water to feed 5000 people.

By "exclusive trading rights" they mean they want favorable trading on various technological items for their military assitance. they want vehicles and power cells and energy weapons. They want better electricity (they burn coal for their generators) and dependable electrical infrastructure.

>>59580

I don't know. Just because she loves him doesn't mean she won't betray us. What's more likely is that she'll try to get him to join her. We can't have that.

>>59579

So I guess I was right. The raiders probably know we're targeting them.

I'm not so sure we should accept military aid. Save the major improvements for them for if/when they join our glorious fledgling nation. Weapons maybe, but major electrical upgrade and vehicles
? Nah, save that for now.

>>59581
so hows our military forces. Also i don't get the differences of this thread and the other quest thread.

Okay I think that covers all the questions raised during my coma.

If there's more just ask.

First thing was increasing our agricultural capacity to handlke the slaves, which is doable and actually pretty cleaver.

Someone raised the issue of using the ZP generator to increase our power supply so that we could build a power grid. You could use that to create a power grid and spread the gride via wires in tunnels, and use power lines to send that power to alhambra, or if they consent reveal your burrowing capacity yto them and tie them into your subway network and give them power that way (I.E. let them see past your pwer level a little)

Or we attack the colliseum with or without the assitance of Alhambra.

Sound about right?

>>59584
If I had access to a computer I'd probably be doing a lot with charts and power leevls and shit like that. The split is so that discussion doesn't interfere with artwork.

Which isn't a problem for us really.

>>59581

Can we make so we're not building them an infrastructure and they're dependent on us? I'm all for helping them get some irrigation going but we shouldn't do anymore unless they join us. In meantime we can off them surplus electricity off our on grid (we certainly aren't using it all) and trade deals for our advanced non-military technology.

If they won't take the bait, perhaps we can appeal to the farmers who supply them.

..or use generator to give out intellipuma power armor and tank grade energy weapons!
...nah that's crazy

>>59586
still in your PS3?

Overall though, I'm fine with just getting food and water from Alhambra in exchange for what I talked about. It's more important that we don't make them more powerful and therefore a future thorn in our backs.

We should tie them into our grid. That way, if they become a major issue, we can cut power to them. They might still have the steam generators, but it'll still be a problem for them.

>>59587
>>59589
Yep, on my PS3, was at the library earlier and use that access to craft the eye rape that is my map.

You can build power lines to alhambra and tie them into your grid in an attempot to make them dependent on you. They wouldn't like it but it's dependable, plentiful energy. ?Easiest way to do this would be to tie new boston into New washinton's power grid and then use that combined output to fuel Alhambra.

The ZP generator would solve all your energy grid issues for the forseeable future. (and by forseeable I mean the next 10000 years.) 'course you could also usse it on something crazy like a mobile base (broken steel style mobile base) or I dunno... a shield helicarrier or something. It would take more resources than what you have available at the moment. Also, power level.

>>59593

We should tell them that until we get to know each other better, we can't help them get a fission reactor. What we can do is tie them into our grid and offer them the technology for cleaner coal power.

>>59588
possible. Hullpuma power armor, is one of the less crazy things about this setting.

Note that Scar and his people are mercs, and constantine has joinedup with you because he's cunning and wants to lead his own pack of puma's even if it's under American Rule.

>>59596
I can side with this for now.
>>59595
so is >>59588 actually a viable idea then?

>>59595

Hell, if we use the alien power module to get more energy, we could use it as an incentive for relatively well off settlements to join willing. It'd be like the Dam but less vulnerable.

>>59596
well you can certainly give them better coal generators.

Keep in mind that these guys are veteran traders. the Lord Protector is still your man (as long as you have his city's best interests in mind.) so he'll help you as long as you don't actively sabotage or harm Alhambra.

>>59600

Basically, we tie them into our grid and offer them better coal power as a feel good gift in exchange for food and water. By better coal technology, I don't necessarily mean stuff that will weaken our bargaining position, more like cleaner emissions so the people living around the plant are healthier.

If you have no problems with giving an *+ ton apex predator power armor, yes it is.

oh and you onbly have one intellipuma who's actually accepted American Union rules and regulations, the rest live in the coke forest under Scar's rule.

>>59605
I vote for our intellipuma to be power armored. Image all the possibilities! We could even give her a holo-cloaking device thing. The possibilities are endless!

>>59604
Coal Lung is an issue. So power grid and cleaner emissions as a gift. Unless there's a shit storm over this I'll throw this in.

What are we going to do with that ZP generator?

>>59606

I don't trust the puma. He's a psychic, 8-ton killing machine who's only joined us so can start his own clan. Making him an unstoppable killing machine is unwise.

Meanwhile, we can the alien power module to build a separate power grid from our own. That way we can keep our main grid at full efficiency while using the secondary grid to supply Alhambra and other potential customers.

>>59609
Not Scar, Catherine I belive she was called. The one who joined the American Union.

>>59606
Not yet dude we have like only one semi- loyal. So let's jsut focus on killing religious raiders and dealing with the cat people. Also any news from samson?

I say you at least prototype the Intellipuma power armor for when you get more loyal Intellipumas.

>>59609
Plus dude that was already a done deal. At least thanks to his endeavors we can make more intellipumas that can join our side. But sooner or later he might make some moves on us.

Alright, so we can prototype the armor. But I suppose also using the Alien Reactor to give us our Hoover Dam is also a worthy idea.

We already did our one action (buffing up the food/supply of New Boston). That means we have two left.

The second is the trade deal between the American Union and Alhambra. We're going to tie them into our grid and give the cleaner coal power. In exchange, we will receive food and water. I suggest we use the alien power module to create a sub-grid, but a consensus hasn't been reached.

Thirdly, we've decided to use binoculars and vertibirds to scout the Colosseum for vulnerable targets (armories, garrisons, watchtowers). Our stealth teams (squirrels, special ops) will then sneak in at night and destroy them.

On the horizon, we can begin the invasion of the Colosseum next month.

Nah, Constantine joined us. Though the next puma can be a Catherine.

Come to think of it Scar's band already has a Constantine.

So ours is Constanstien "Con-stan-Stein"

Scar' is "Con-Stan-Teen." probably a story in there somewhere.

>>59615

I was talking about our semi-loyal Puma. He's semi-loyal as in he's helping us so he hopes he gets his own clan away from Scar. He's not loyal enough to be put in a unstoppable death machine.

The scouting is a given necessity, so trading agreement and using alien generator to help us power should be the next move

>>59621
agreed

Samson's been having some issues with a tribe of Raiders from the West. They're occupying an old military base and he wants you to do recn, and maybe aid his army in a strike against it. It's off the map but I'll describe any recon you bring back from scouting out the group Samson wants your help with.

When asked about the colliseum he says "When one eats, one must chew, lest one choke on one's meal."

>>59624

Perfect. While Samson is busy taking out those raiders, we strike the Colosseum.

The Alien Module is now "Operation Bootstrap" an Ultra top secret known only to the Scribes, Scientists, Military Officers, Paladins, and Politicians involved in it's construction.

Every one jhust assumes its a Power Generation experiment unless told otherwise.

>>59624

I suppose we could send a token scouting force, just to stay on his good side. Meanwhile, we should start mobilizing our forces for the assault on the Colosseum.

Have we begun the scouting missions?

Was waiting to see your response and whether or not you wanted to snub him. He honestly doesn't even care if you participate in his campaign against those raiders or not. He just wants you to fly in, take pictures with the vertibirds, leave and send the info to his forces with couriers.

shouldn't detract to heavily from your campaign against the Colliseum if you choose to take it alone.

Granted you could always switch out that population bonus for mercs from alhambra, they still wanna be indie and notr join up with you, or samson or anyone else for that matter.

>>59631

They will join us in time. No need to force them.

The assault on the Colosseum. This will be our first invasion...

>>59631
So has month passed yet? Expecting growth in POPulation and everythign that is growing

>>59631
Take a few pictures for him then advance with our campaign. Also updated the map in free time.

Anonymous 2012/08/28(Tue)22:11 No. 59637 ID: d5dec8
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>>59636
Derp fergot to post the map

>>59633
You have plenty of kids, and tribals, travellers and mercs who join up are at a suffiecient level to replace fatalities in the conflicts you experienc but not enough to really change the game for you, thus no pop increase. The colliseum has a capacity for 50000 slaves, currently they have 30000 to 40000 slave in resuidence. You have a capacity for 29250 residents when spread between all of your bases. (15000 for NW 12250 for Nb and 2000 for Fort Endurance.)

If we can improve Fort Endurance even more, that would be a good idea, though it would probably need much better security around the civvies.

>>59637
wow, nice, and yeah it has been 8 months since the start of the game...did I say six? If I did, I'm wrong.

anyway, nice map bro!

>>59641
Thanks, first thread that I've really been following/involved in, so figured I would give it more than random ideas.

>>59639
Nothing is really happening there much plus we are all pretty hyped for the colloseum invasion. So other than the thing we agreed for this turn. Fort endurance is kinda in the last of our to do list.

>>59638

Our current capacity is enough. It's doubtful that all of the slaves will want to join us, instead opting for Samson's camp or independence.

We should time our attack on the Colosseum with Samson's attack on the Western Raiders.

>>59639
We haven't taken a third action yet, and you're still building that tunnel to Fort Endurance Via NW.

Anyway you could ship in some supplies but Fort endurance is basically an old style stone fort with modern troops and a handful of guys in power armor at the moment.

>>59643
I was hoping to support more population from there, that way we can have space for other people after we free the slaves in the Coliseum.

>>59645

Yes, boost Fort Endurance's defenses. I worry about Scar deciding he doesn't need us anymore.

>>59642
I't appreciated bro!

Okay so basic consesnsus is doa fly by of the raider base, print out some reconphotos for Samson, give him the photos and prepare for invasions.

when he does invade, we hit the colliseum with not-quite everything we've got, forces who can hide their power level like "shadow squad" ad "The reair men" and those holobots we developed will be included but anything too obviously high tech will be left behind.

We'll hae air support where we need it most, I'll gve you a blow by blow account and walkyou through controllig your forces.

Now is thee anything we need to do befoe giving samso his recon and deciding what forces we'll be using?

Sleep time for me. See ya'll tomorrow.

>>59649
see yah dude

>>59649
'night map Anon!

>>59651
how abt you OP sleepy yet?

>>59652
I'm gonna be here all night, I already passed out on accident so I coyuuldn't sleep if I wanted to.

Okay Fort Endurance isn't on the edge of Samson's borders and most sane people stay the hell away from the Coke Forest, so you have some AMK2 in storage and plasma rifles and stuff like that in case you get in trouble, as always Vertibirds are constantly charged and ready to go. If Scar attacks you can easily hold him off and Evac. No need to worry about that front, for the moment anyway.

In the mean time. You're guys are doing the recon. I'll include that In the next post. You're turn will end once we invade the colliseum and we'll enter war mode.

You want to keep your power level hidden somewhat but you also want to kick out the faith and take over the Colliseum.

I've stated your vehicles. You have basic combat kit and fire arms similar to what modern american soldiers use, only more advanced. You have laser weapnry and gauss weaponry and plasma weaponry. You have explosives and you have flamers

>>59653
you have Worg Cavalry, an Intellipuma with combat armor made for him and communications gear as well as an implanted voice box so he can talk. You have squirrels who can plant explosives and who have poison and tiny squirrel sized weapons.

You have security robots, Mr. Handies and Eyebots.

What are you going to use in this invasion?

>>59654

1. Aerial scout with binoculars and vertibirds.
2. Stealth teams target key locations (armories, garrisons, watchtowers).
3. We move in fast with all got while their defenses are crippled.
4. Free the slaves, send the surviving slavers to forced labor camps.
5. Tell Samson.

>>59654
Well first we send in the squirrels. Demo charges and sabotage. Poison enemy supplies and assasination on COs. Then we have contentious artillery and siege attacks for a few a hours and then we send the vertibirds. Then we hit them with the main force

Well now that you have a look at slaver forces what are you going to field against them? We can safely assume Scar's been paid to protect your borders and that the Tribals who are loyal to you will back you up.

Up until now you've just been a fortified trading outpost, now you're invading a major slaver trading settlement, one that's been in place for decades. That's going to raise some eyebrows. People think you're just seetlers from the east, now you're showing otherwise.

What are you going to field and how much of it are you going to field to support your tactics?

>>59661

That plan causes lots of civilian deaths. We're looking to recruit the slaves not kill them all.

If we simply destroy the armories, garrisons, wand watchtowers, we can cripple them before we strike. Minimal losses for maximal gain.

It's possible to use the Howitzers without hitting the slave pens since they're right next to the colliseum and the slavers want to defend the slaves at all costs, they're the most important resource they have.

But you'd have to deploy radio using spotters and the slavers could probably track down a ground based squatter with a tech expert, and judging from their armories and camps at least one group is prety tech savvy.

So you'd have to send Vertibirds in first, and use them for spotting and range finding and hope the enemy's Anti-Air capabilities suck.

>>59665
Recon of squirrels and vertibirds first to see their capabilities. They could paint coordinates of enemy quarters and vital areas. so the howitzers would know where to shoot.

rescuing the slaves should be our top priority, and that means we need any fighting to be quick and decisive. fortunately it should be fairly easy to sneak in a fairly large force. we can have some of our people sneak in posing as either traders or a raider band going in for some rnr, they will also be taking there "pet Squirrels " in with them. (we should mix in a few non sentient Squirrels just in case the guards demand on to eat or something). once we have forces inside they can start picking targets. things we should focus on are the enemy AA and armories, as well as anything that would give them warning of an attack. we should also have our infiltrators avoid the power armored troops, since as an elite group they might have the discipline to notice someone trying to sneak past them. once the shooting starts we can take them out with focused air strikes and our own power armored troops.

Well shadow squad and the repair men would be good at painting targets and their holocloaks could let them pass as raiders quite easily if they decided to wear some fur cloaks or something.

Non sentient squrrels (Red Squirrels) can reach up to 30 pounds in wieght and small dog size.

Are we gonna infiltrate and paint some targets for the howitzers, like I dunno, radio beacons or something?

I was thinking planting explosives in enemy armories, possibly disguised as bombs that are supposed to be there. and quietly killing the sentries that guarded the side our forces would approach from, and above all else neutralize the enemies AA capabilities.

>>59668
Yup minimise collateral before main attack

>>59668

Infiltrate, plant bombs, and commence full attack in immediate aftermath. Seems to be the gist of everyone's plans.

Okay great, one last question.

We showed a little of our power level to Samson, now we're conquering the Colliseum so he doesn't get a stranglehld on the region.

How high is our power level going? We've shown we have two Vertibirds, how many of those will we use?

Will we deploy standard troops supported by vehicles and a little power armor, or will this be a power armor heavy force?

Is Constanstien FELine's MBT equivelent to be taken on raids or will the Worg cavalry take part in this action?

Are we above or Below 9000?

>>59672

>Power Level
Pretty high and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Samson is moving fast. He's already conquered a major city and moving to take out another. If we don't step up our game, he'll achieve hegemony. Goodbye American Union.

>Deployment

Usually I'd only suggest we deploy a small portion of our actual forces. However in light of our scouts discoveries, I recommend we deploy all our options. These slavers are packing serious heat (heavy weaponry, power armor) and they outnumber us. A full deployment will increase our chances of success and minimize losses.

Okay at least one d00d wants high power level and full deployment, that'd Put FELine's Roughriders (and 'Stein the Puma) on the flanks protecting against raider feints. It would put MBTs and Vertibirds up front crushing enemy forces and it would have a lot of your forces using powered armor. You have a lot of T45Ds, a Middling Number of T51BS and A small number of AMK2s (Both BoS and Enclave editions.) as far as power armor is conerned. I Assume we'll laso be fielding robots and the full extent of our armory.

The upshot to this is just half of those slaves join you you'll have something like 20K after the increase in population.

As far as our population goes I just count the combat effectives and the cost for them when I list numbers, you have like 16000 people but half of them are too young or old to fight or engaged in other crucial tasks.

So full deployment means everything.

Unless you wanna hold back a little, say high-mid-level power level and use the more common, but high quality stuff at hand.

>>59675
I Suppose after this we will beyond samson's power anyways. So lets go full.

>>59676
Raise those Flags! Sounds those Cannons!Sing your cries! Hear the buzzing of the vertibirds! For the Union!

i'd say hold some stuff back, its always a good idea to have a few surprises if needed. I would recommend holding back say 30 of our vertabirds, only deploy a 3 or 4 units of power armor and only a few MBTs, and guard them carefully enough to make it look like we can't replace them.

after this there is no hiding we are a major player, but we don't have to show the full extent of our strength to everyone who watches. with luck they will either underestimate us thinking we showed everything we could do, or overestimate us thinking we held more back then we did.

BrotherofSteel!lnanIRPeSk 2012/08/29(Wed)01:09 No. 59679 ID: 98a065
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VERITIBIRDS!

>>59678
Okay hit them hard, but leave some surprises for later. In the meantime...

Hellmarch 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3rGO2WhZGg for such a crappy game C&C has boss music.

note that my PS3's OS turns any link I copy into the adress field into a front page hit for the awful youtube XL service so the only way I can see your videos is by copy pasteing the titles and searching for the video.

Quest post incoming in 5 4 3 2 1.

>>59678
Dude we have HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES. We pretty much have an aresenal of a small prewar nation.

Also OP is posting in the quest thread

>>59679

God Bless the American Union.

For the Union!

>>59685
So what did we capture? Special artifacts and all?

Alright you've taken the Colliseum.

Now what do you want to do with it? For the Faith it was a symbol of their power and culture. To be fair it's damned impressive, especially for a post war construction. To slaves it's a symbol of oppression. You could tear it down or attempt to occupy it and put it to your own use, try and turn it into a symbol of american values or something.

Now you have the Faith POWs, among them are members of the "American Legion" those were the guys wearing power armor, apparently they're descended from some sort of militia and are real tough mercs. Then there's the faith priests, warriors fomr two dozen tribes, ascended slavesand Khul, former Governor of the colliseum and High Priest Thulsa, former leader of the Faith priesthood in this area.

You've put the POWs in the slave pens appropiately enough and have them under guard. have to do something with/to these guys

You have gained a net increase in your population.

You used to have 8000 people who could become combatants. From the slaves you gained combat capable 16000 recruits. You have 20000 people now. (in actuallity 400000 but I'm only counting the people who can fight for purposes of food and combat for the sake of simplicity)

New Washington has a maximum population of 15000

New Boston has a Maximum Population of 10000

and Fort Endurance has maximum population of 2000

as fo the colliseum, I'll stat it if you decied to keep it.

>>59686
Faith related documents, historical texts of the faith, weapons, armor, the highly customized armor of the "American Legion" and by customized I mean uselessly decorated with fur, gold, silver, copper and jewels. So far no real tech artifacts but plenty of trophies and loads of loot from the slavers raids. Technical documents, maps, blueprints, the odd piece of esoteric tech....

Looks like they were trading with some fairly advanced civilizations. Samson had backpack radios, these guys had phone rafdios with the same range and functionality as the backpack radios, they didn't build them but someone called "Communicorp" provided them with the radios, presumably in exchange for slaves. Only Khul and Thulsa know who, or what Cummunicorp was and or is and they aren't talking until they get a personal guarantee of safety.

>>59688
Keep it and Settle it. It is an impressive wonder of the Post war World so might as well keep it. For the POW, im not deciding yet. But first we learn from the different parts of the faith faction and then decide from that

But i am expecting us to execute half of them

>>59687

Keep the lands, demolish the slave pens and fighting pits. They're symbols of oppression and they don't belong in the American Union.

Begin interrogating the POWs. Offer those who talk life in a forced labor camp. Those that don't can hang.

>>59689

I mentioned this earlier. We should have tracked where their trading parties were going.

Oh well, I suppose we interrogate the two of them for the info. By interrogate I mean kill one and tell the other he'll be next if he doesn't talk.

>>59691
>>59689
Judging from their maps their trading partners go way beyond the range of your vertibirds, remember they run off electricity, and short of overhauling a lot of them to make long range vertibirds you'll have to build recharging stations for them if you want to employ them as more than short range scouts and force multipliers.

If the others agree to execute one to put fear into the other we can do that.

>>59692

I suggest we kill the priest. He's unlikely to talk. The governor, however, may be far more vulnerable to physical intimidation.

>>59692
yes kill one of them. Make sure it's very public. Like a hanging

Okay, we execute Thulsa publicly, presumably a good old fashioned Hanging in front of the PoWs before we put them in a forced labor camp. Though come to think of I can't imagine what a bunch of convicts can do that robots or laborers can't...

Moving on you have the oclliseum, we're gonna settle it, break down the slave pens for parts and turn it into an american facility.

How many people do you want to settle here? How much effort do you want to put in defending it? you have both the slaver's radios and your own broadcast facilities, do you want to broadcast anything?

Then there's the farms and the smorgasbord of mutated plants and their pharmacuetical properties....

>>59697
We gonna use the colosseum someway. So let's put operational again. A large bazaar or something. If we could find acts lets put it there.
Also lets put all our extraPOP in here since most other settlements are in Maximum holding.

>>59693
Yeah, Thulsa is unlikely to talk. So let's give him a trial, sentence him, and execute him.
Khul has the choice of giving up his secrets and spending the rest of his days in a labor camp, or facing the same fate.

Also, we have the technology, let's fix up those American Legion power armor suits. Get rid of the embellishments, and do some repairs, and we should be able to reuse them.

>>59697
Lets broadcast a call for entertainment. With the Colosseum we have to fill it just i said above. Since it gonna be known from the waste with the Radio call. Let's put medium defense.

>>59699
If he still says no let's turn him to robobrain.

You have 6000 people in new washington, you can have a maximum of 15000 in new washington.

you can have a maximum of 10000 people in new boston, you have 1000 there.

you can have 2000 people in fort endurance. you have 1000 there.

you have 16000 new recuits to your army. where are you gonna base them?

Technically your numbers are double this but I only count combatants in the numbers for cities and leave the noncombatants vaguely defined. better that way, you can use you imagination.

what would your labor camp produce that manufacturing facilities couldn't? why even spend a budget on something like that? you've got nuclear powered factories in your secret capital and you're gonna have slavers do what...? break rocks all day? its your decison guys but my mind, it boggles.

You could take samples of The Colliseum's wierder crops and covert their farms from drug fields to food fields.

so basically turn the Colliseum into a trading town/24/7 circus? MiteBeCool.

>>59701

I still don't like the idea of putting things which have questionable loyalty in unstoppable killing machines. If Khul doesn't talk, we just execute him too. We have to appear like hardass's or the slavers will never give in.

>>59702

The Colosseum was a drug farm before we got there. With minimal work we can turn it into a regular farm.

House people everywhere but in New Washington. The Colosseum has space yes?

The labors are because we don't execute people who surrender and are willing to reform. There's plenty of thing we can do with them such as digging irrigation channels, working in the quarries, or repairing the old railroads. There's always a use for good old fashioned manual labor and boy do we have a lot of laborers.

>>59704
But we have to at least kill half of their officers

So what's the infor about the inhabitants of the coloseum? Which is the different groups that we have imprisoned?

>>59705

So? We kill enough of them and the rest will accept their new lot in life. Once that's done we send them to work, preferably to the least desirable work places. I'm talking giant scorpion infested quarries, radioactive fields, and railroads so broken we don't know which way they even went. Those that survive are free to leave or become genuine citizens.

Meanwhile, we can convert the Colosseum into a large farming settlement. Hell, since it seems to be a profitable location for trade, we could even made it our official trading hub.

On the side, we should really begin to watch our borders more earnestly. I have a feeling Samson may not like the fact that we took the Colosseum from under his nose. Also, the Cummunicorp may try to reinstate the previous regime.

Just be careful you don't want a pwder ganger situation. Make sure you guard those fuckers.

Okay there's a bunch of tribes, if you're that interested I can give you names and details, but when it comes down to it they aren't that different from the tribes that you've got near New Washington. They have either a cultural thing (Clubs painted with irridescent yellow paint, a findness for red signs, a fondness for gauntlets.) or they have a mutation that makes them different from normal humans thanks to FEV that was spread through the environment during the war. (Red Corneas, Canines so large that they make you lisp, Extra or webbed digits, maybe both, unusual skin color, you get the idea.) and they have a primitive hunter gatherer culture, with maybe some farming.

You know the faith, blood, war, death. Original sin, warped martyrs and saints.

So far the only real lead is "Communicorp" their symbol is 13 stars in a circle around a large C. and they seem to be resonsable for the Faith's radio tech, maybe more.

>>59708

Explosive collars anyone? Would be pretty ironic for a slaver to meet his end at the hand of his own creation.

>>59708
How many of the new population can the Colosseum support, especially if we convert the farms to food farms?

For the labor camp we can put explosive collars on the prisoners. I also don't think we should label them as POWs. They are slavers and raiders, terrorists and members of non-recognized nations. They aren't protected by the Geneva Convention.
We can put them to work in the fields, producing food, or digging irrigation channels, and we still need roads and sewers. Lots of projects that need manual labor.

>>59708
Ok thanks for now let's just fortify our borders. Trading Hub colosseum sounds good. With a sign and some reputation already makes it a perfect place to settle. What kind of drug did the faith people make.Also we should really start with our espionage and law enforcer department. We can't rely on Military police forever and all our recon can't come from squirrels and Black ops team. Sooner or later we are gonna hit something as big or maybe even bigger than us so let's go with that. With our rising powerlevel and our taking of the colosseum lets see how is marcus.

>>59711
i mean samson

After you convert the farms to food farms? 10000, your farming tech is pretty sweet.

Okay Colliseum becomes a circus and a farming place as well as a trade hub.

Explosive collars for the Chain gang, with remote detonation if they leave a certain perimeter or act uppity.

So far we have

Execute Thulsa, and Khul if he doesn't talk.
Take the Felons and kill their officers, then explosive collar them and work them to death or rehabilitation, whicever comes first.
Turn Colliseum's drug farms into food farms and make the place a trading hub and entertainment hub.

anything else?

>>59713
Recommendation for the Espionage and law enforcer department. Also do we have the YOU ARE ...
Coming?

>>59714
There's one coming up. in the mean time we're setting up the colliseum.

YOU ARE THE GUY is slated for Ozz's next encounter with Samson. you get to decide hgow to explain your actions to him, after all we can easily assume he was planning to take the Colliseum after he got Salvation city under wraps.

okay you have the coilliseum do you wanna try walling off the whole shebang or would you rather create guard houses like the slavers did and have police forces operate out of those?

Maybe turn the Colliseum intoa military facility?

The faith made ALL OF THE DRUGS here. They grew a lot of stuff. most of it is recreational but a lot of it has medical uses.

Starting a civilian police force is totally possible.

>>59715
Guard houses for now, using part of our forced labor to construct more defensible walls. We should also station about 10 mobile Howitzers at the Colosseum.

And begin building a factory. Bullets and guns, and Jeeps.

The factory at New Boston should be upgraded to handle laser weapons and power cells.

And we'll need to send scouts later to te Whispering Caves and the Screaming Ruins.

>>59717

I support this.

Also, I think we should start preparing for potential conflict with Samson. Just in case he tries to force us out of the Colosseum.

>>59716
We may want to keep some of the medicinal crops, then.
Also starting a civilian police force sound like a good idea.

>>59716
All ideas stated i support

>>59716

Hmm, an idea just popped into my mind. What if we gave Khul to Samson as a gift? Show him that we're for equal justice and let his own people try the governor. Even if Samson still wants to attack us, his people may not be so inclined to kill the "Cleansers of the Colosseum."

>>59721
we can retcon his execution, Death by Samson is the same as death by noose as far as results for Khul are concerned.

well we have New Philadelphia set up. and we have a bunch of slaves who'd like to be transportaed to salvation city. Also our resources are a little stretched so we need to find new sources of stuff before we can upgrade our factories on a widescale.

>>59722
well...ex-slavees if you feel like being accurate.

Also why did I put thos felons to work on adeensive wall...?

whatever, they're irrgating the fields I guess.

>>59722

OP, you getting sleepy? I'm getting sleepy. Off to be with me I suppose.

>>59723
Want turn in for the night dude? Continue tommorow?

yeah my typing turns to shit soup when I get sleepy. Night you two.

See you in a few hours.

Anonymous 2012/08/29(Wed)07:14 No. 59728 ID: d5dec8
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Just woke up. Looks like glorious things happened and we made new enemies. Everything in the aftermath looks good, but I think it may have been more effective to have the warrior priest be killed in single combat by one of our best warriors, instead of an execution. More of a "They killed off our greatest warrior priest, oh shit" instead of "they executed our greatest warrior like cowards." All in all, sounds like it went well.

Locations for Scouting:
GEN PLA
Love's Nest
Screaming Ruins
Whisper Caves
The Towers

Also, we need to explore further to the south and east. South, to find CommuniCorp, and East, to expand further.
And it's imperative that we find new sources of raw materials, and increase trade to get more metals. We need to improve our factories to support our increased military.

>>59729
Agreed, I think we should start with scouting out the Towers, then Screaming Ruins

lets talk death rays, now that we have 4 times the power of a prewar superpower would some sort of large energy weapon emplacements be feasible? assuming it is I have 3 ideas that we might want to try.

1. laser emplacements- lasers don't arc so range is limited to the horizon, but they would make good static defenses.

2. plasma artillery- the shots from plasma weapons have some substance to them, so it might be possible to get a plasma shot to arc. possibly giving it enofgh range to be used offensively

3. mining laser- we are not going to be able to use any of this in places not hooked up to the power grid, so a tool that lets us quickly dig tunnels so we can securely connect distant sites to our power grid would be very useful.

>>59731
Having automated laser turrets would take a huge load off of defending our territories, we could put fewer troops on security detail, so we can put more in action without relying on tribals or scar for defence.
I'm not so sure plasma would arc, but for offensive artillery, a magnetic cannon firing a mass of metal and explosives over extreme distances could work too.
If we could find a way [perhaps a load of extension cords?] to make it more mobile, [attach it to a track laying subway train?] then I could totally go along with this.

>>59733
Stonehenge.
We will create the Stonehenge Theater Defense Artillery Array. Massive Gauss Cannons that can shoot over the horizon to strike any target within a 500 mile radius.

Anonymous 2012/08/29(Wed)09:15 No. 59736 ID: 716c62
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If we're going to make a Death Ray, we shouldn't do half-measures.

Anonymous 2012/08/29(Wed)09:17 No. 59737 ID: 716c62
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Of course, we need far more resources than we have available. Even if we dismantled the Colosseum, I doubt we would have enough materials for this.
We would need to take apart several Vaults, maybe even find a major city, such as Kansas City, Detroit, or Chicago.

Anonymous 2012/08/29(Wed)09:18 No. 59738 ID: d5dec8
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>>59736
Lasers are for babies. A real man uses a MAC gun. Multiple if possible.

>>59737
He has a point. Still, this is why we want to go scouting.

Also, this needs to stay hidden, or are we completely abandoning hiding our power?

>>59740
It needs to stay hidden for now. We've shown that New Boston has hidden stockpiles of Vertibirds, MBT's, and T-45d Power Armor, but we've kept our reserves of T-51b and Advanced Mark 2 Power Armor hidden, as well as our Gauss weapons.
We can hide the death ray project behind lesser projects, such as creating gauss cannons (so we can work out the problems of gauss artillery and making gauss weapons that big), and stockpiling materials.

>>59742
Alright then, makes sense.

BrotherofSteel!lnanIRPeSk 2012/08/29(Wed)10:00 No. 59745 ID: 98a065
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-sips coffee- Hey guys, I've been making mistakes, which is embarassing for me but fuck it. Yeah I ran Guardsman quest, the fight for amerigo secondus and I quit due to RL stuff and the simple fact that my mind shut down and I couldn't absorb enough 40K lore to maintain the integrity of the whole thing. Apologies to anyone who liked that, I should've had the balls to say I was quitting. Rest assured I will maintain Pax Americana until we reach the end.

Now, I'll let you build a subway mounted mining laser, It'll cut burrowing times in half, but you only get one, and it'll use up resources that could be used on other things.

I've been fucking up, we're in the year 2200 and AMK2 wasn't developed until 2212 or thereabouts. So we have AMK1's but we have brotherhood and enclave variants pick your favorites.

So should I retcon Khul's execution so we can hand him over to samson or what?

oh and <---- this is the BoS AMK1

>>59728
Oh, and I fucking love these maps.

>>59745
>No AMK2
Really unfortunate, but it shouldn't matter too much.

>Retcon Khul's execution
I'm ambivalent. He's going to die either way. Would it really change our relationship with Samson?

>>59745
Nah, the execution was fine. The power armor looks right terrifying. Before the mining laser, I think we need to focus on scouting in hopes of new resources and other necessary things. get our supplies back to full strength before any more of these megaprojects.

>>59738
I would like to point out that the limiting factor for the size of rail guns is probably not power consumption. not unless we start doing something crazy like have them launch canisters of super compressed plasma or something... we might want to look into that, the ammo would be expensive but the shells would pack some serious punch.

anyone else notice that the designer for Fo3 just ripped of Tactics APA for their Enclave PA designs?

Fluff says the T45Ds were enough to take out towns during the lead up to the big one, our power armor basically functioned as walking tanks, even with some bits on the outside. While we may not have AMK2s we do have something I always wanted to see.

Design Variation

Command Modified Armor basically combines Hardening (and in the case of T45D putting all the exposed bits under armor) with a powerful communications package.

Combat armor has targeters or strength inhancements and hardening.

Stealth has camo and agility enhancements.

Scout makes you go Fasta, almost as good as being red.

Okay Khul is dead, so's Thulsa, you wanna talk to Samson or just get down to the nitty gritty of scouting and stuff like that?

>>59751
I'd like to get to scouting.

BrotherofSteel!lnanIRPeSk 2012/08/29(Wed)10:18 No. 59753 ID: 98a065
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Forgot my pic, this is what the APA in Tactics looked like. compare it with Enclave AMK2.

Also that dude in the Hazard-Armor is what your HAZMAT teams look like.

Off to scouting! I need more stuff to add to da map

Okay we scout, seeing as how these are locations and not randomly generated events we don't have to roll die for what you find.

anyway, do you find any particular location appealing, or shall I pick one in particular?

The Towers seems like a good first target. But any of them work.

>>59751
Wait, Samson is about to start his campaign to that military base to the west isn't he?

And a big chunk of former slaves have joined up with him.

Maybe we should talk with him first to head off possible conflicts now.

>>59757
yeah he's kind of busy consolodating his power base, he has hostile tribes and raiders and stuff harassing him, he's pissed off a lot of people. Doesn't mean he won't win though.

He's a legend, and you're an emerging power, granted you're a well equipped, amazingly toough power, but he has experience.

So you wanna talk with him right?

Talking with Spampson works too

>>59758
Yeah, let's talk with him.
Then once we finish talking with him, we'll examine the Towers.

YOU ARE COLONEL OZZ MANDARIS! FASHION PLAGUES YOU ONCE AGAIN DURING YOUR PREPERATIONS FOR DIPLOMACY!

So yeah, in depth RP stuff coming up, prepare your diddly hole.

Formal Wear.
We've already done our Shows of Force.
Now we need to show we're normalizing relations.

Dat lack of consensus...

oh the hell with it. Formal command armor.

Setting Question: We're all about Old World Values and America Fuck Yeah!, but are we secular or a Christian and God-fearing nation?

Should we reveal that above Colonel Mandaris stand others? Such as the President and the Elders?
Or should we keep that secret?

I think we should allude to a President of the American Union, but we shouldn't come out and reveal the location of New Washington or of our government's inner workings.

>>59769
We shouldn't point out the capital, but we should show we have a civilian government, not just a military headed endeavor

>>59768
Secular, freedom of religion means freedom from religion. That said this isn't the science inquisition. Religion is allowed, there are churches all over the place and chaplains in the army.

Samson disabled that holo-table on purpose, just to test us.
He is a canny motherfucker, and we can never underestimate him. Any level of paranoia regarding him we have, will never be enough.

The holotable is lower def than a union one, has less memory, and less processing power but it can network with other devices and is compatable with holotapes.

You can make better ones but its a damn impressive piece of work for post war tech.

OP, do our mobile Howitzers outdistance the Raider's artillery?

You're not certain but they look like standard models, ones used by the US army, probably salvage.

You based your mobile howitzers on standard designs and basically just mounted them on a set of wheel and gave room for the guncrew to sit and hold on for the ride.

over all they probably have the same range.

>>59779
We'll need forward observers for our artillery, then. Maybe do it at night to minimize retaliation.

I'd send in the Vertibirds, but their AA is still pretty effective and makes it too dangerous.

Maybe hit their AA, then scoot away while the Vertibirds come in and wipe out the Raider Howitzers?

>>59780
Their AA consosts of Browning M2s mounted on traversing turrets that are worked by hand WW2 style, probably made from scratch. Potent enough, but Vertibirds in this setting have missile launchers that can target via an IR beam and other possible equipment. So they make pretty damned effective raiders.

But yeah, firect aerial assault would mean the loss of at LEAST one vertibird.

How fast can our howitzers move? Can they get out of the way of counter-battery fire?

They have to brace before they fire, so no. something like a top speed of 100 miles per hour when not bracing.

What if we have groups of fast movers [Worgs, Jeeps] draw the howitzers attention while we try to get our own in position to blast them away. If they move fast enough, we should be able to avoid the majority of casualties. Or use robots. Then there's no biological casualties.

robots are difficult to produce but you do have quite a few of them so the casuallties woyuld be negligible as far as biological life is concerned.

I think we can risk a few bots as bait to pound out their artillery.

Robots are hard to build and replace, though.

Wouldn't it be better to send Shadow Squad in to set timebombs on the ammo piles that the Raider Howitzers depend on, then have squirrels be forward observers as our Howitzers shell the enemy artillery?

>>59791
If shadow squad is already on site, then they could just call in the artillery? We lost a good number of squirrels in the Coliseum, I'm not so sure we should send them out as readily.

I want to ask Samson about his stance on non-human descended intelligent species.
But on the other hand, I don't want to reveal too much, that we have squirrels and intellipumas among our citizens.

Okay I have to break off for a few hours.

Be back by 6 oh clock ish.

>>59796
6 on what clock?

>>59797
I suppose we'll know when he comes back.

Anonymous 2012/08/29(Wed)16:38 No. 59806 ID: d5dec8
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Map Update

>>59806
Awesome map, anon. Thanks.

>>59807
Just woke up sup guys

>>59808
Should have full summary here
>>59806

Sorry BOS, I didn't know you had already posted the execution of Khul when I asked for us to send him over to Samson. No need to retcon.

Overall, our exchange with Samson still has me worried. If you believe what he says, he won't target us directly. Therefore, we should take measures to establish a more thorough police force and even a intelligence agency. We can't afford to have spies and saboteurs mucking around in our territory.

I'd also like to suggest we check out Vault 57. Alhambra's ancestors might have left stuff behind we could use, like a fission reactor, advanced electronics, and other hard to find goodies. At the very least, we could use it as a new bunker.

Seriously what 6:00 did he mean?

>>59815
dunno.

Note to self, clarify time zones better.

I meant 6:00 Pm that day but life thought differently. Ess schedule conflict, more stuffI didn't plan on happening.

Good news Is I have all day free.

Apologies to anyone who had been waiting for this and wasted even a second of their time on my quest thread.

I'm here now and will be until mid night, central time.

lemme read through the thread.

>>59852
That's alright.
Now, we can get down to business.
We need to form an intelligence agency to counteract Samson's spies, as well as to coordinate our recon and intelligence assets.

>>59806
>>59813
visiting vault 57 shouldn't be a problem, and as I always say map-anon, cool map I love those things!

Okay samson wants to know what the official stance on mutants, from ghouls and supermutants, down to tribals and civilised folk with odd defects is.

As far as thePax Americana is concerned they're american citezens with all the rights and responsibilities of american citezens. This is applied in practice on intllipumas and the members of Squirrel Force Recon but is a subject of fierce debate in the senate.

How would you like to respond to samsons first question?

Intellipumas and Squirrels fall under the category of Non-Human Intelligence, but there's no need for Samson to know about those for now.

heh, good answer, if no one dissents that in the next 154 or so minutes we'll use that.

15 minutes...I meant the next 15 minutes...

>>59854
Holy fuck finally here you are.

>>59855
yup agreed response

>>59857
For the record though. What are our policy to Non-human sentinents?

Sorry bro Real Life happened, but you want Fallout Quest, not my RL baggage.

anyway you haven't decided on what your stance is concerning non human intelligence, so it's being debated in the senate.

Anonymous 2012/08/30(Thu)06:51 No. 59862 ID: 716c62
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So, how idealistic is the American Union?
Our aim to spread our creed to the entirety of the old United States of America is going to bump up against a lot of nations that have sprung up in the ashes.
Do we accept that we will not be able to beat them into submission (until Project Megalith is completed and our Doom Ray is ready), or do we basically act like Jackson?

I think it better to take a pragmatic approach.
We're not so idealistic as to stop our expansion, but we're pragmatic enough to not pick fights unnecessarily.

>>59862
that is fucking gold.

Uh anyway, so far our approach seems to be prehmatic idealism, in the wasteland drug use, prostituiton, alcohol and all manner of other vices exist so our banning of stuff like slavery and persecution of slavers and raiders ongeneral principal makes us pretty idealistic.

In short our policies are decided via consensus, so far your stance seems to be the popular one.

>>59863
Yes, that's what I was getting at.
We won't invade city-states and nations that have laws and societies similar to ours, like the Mutant Nation and Alhambra, but we will not stop our expansion until we spread from sea to shining sea, and slaver and raider cities and nations will be on our hit-list.

>>59863

Tell him we're of the same kindred. Our first priority is making this world a safer one for the American Union. This means eliminating slavers and other groups hostile towards our way of life. Our second priority is peacefully expand our borders. We're confidant that the American Union has something for everyone.

>>59863

Our expansion policy

1. Neutralize hostile groups with as little bloodshed as possible.
2. Expand as our borders as peacefully as possible.
3. Respect our neighbors borders whenever possible.

We're not some two-bit marauder band. We can offer even prospering communities resources previously not available and protection unparalleled. We're pretty sure most people, given the chance, will join us willingly.