Arhra 2013/06/16(Sun)05:47 No. 72356 ID: 325550
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>>/quest/516512

Also I needed a place to say GLEEEEEEEEE.

And here's some of the unused concepts I was playing around with for golem minions. I am likely to recycle some elements here for other golems (or maybe upgrades to the main golem), so I'm curious which bits people like.

those are some cute golems.

We shall be the prettiest Golem avatar that is actually a Dungeon heart that will ever exist.

>>72356
I like that the chest segments of the leftmost golem form what looks like a collar & tie. If the Banking Dungeon actually becomes a possibility, I am 100% behind Plan Businessgolem.

hurr i like the nekkid bits durr

>>72365
If the banking dungeon gets built I'd suggest calling the quasi dragon Executive Chairman Charles.

>>72357
aren't they just the most adorable?

lets name the dragon slug

why slug you ask, well it's simply because I suck with names and it was the first one to pop into my head. That and no one else was coming up with anything.

>Charles
I like it. I'm sure we can come up with other titles as appropriate.

>all our creatures are adorable
...man, combat is going to be painful when it happens.

>>72355
cute quest so far,love it!

we are NOT going to build a dungeon anywhere NEAR a town. that is just asking for trouble. lots of it.

>>72389
I gotta agree with this.

I'd much rather name him Carlton.

>>72391
Dunno, he looks like more of a chester to me.

Deem is a verb meaning 'to pronounce judgment' and also 'to form an opinion'. Entymologically, it's related to 'doom'! And, well, De eM.

I am perhaps too fond of complicated meta-puns!

>>/quest/517310
>I meant your minions could hunt in the forest but meh it doesn't matter now
It's probably time to clarify my decision making progress. While I am letting things be influenced by which options are popular, I am also looking at the reasons behind them!

In this case, the mountain was winning out over the forest, but I felt it was worth mentioning the food issue that the mountain would create. So yeah, I am going to chop and paste comments if they're useful for demonstrating something.

Public Service Announcement Arhra 2013/06/18(Tue)06:06 No. 72445 ID: 4d9a4c
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Also to avoid confusion later, I thought I should emphasise that the dreaded unreliable narrator is at work. Some of Deem's info is literally hundreds of years out of date!

You may have also noticed terrible people skills.

>>72443

that is a good way to run a quest.

your style almost reminds me of Farmer. you run any quests before?

>>72443
guess it also depend on what we have for minions, I mean I don't think and army of golems will have much need for a huge stockpile of fruit or grain

>>72454
I did try one about a year ago here but it was a different style and imploded more or less immediately due to lack of a good plan.

>>72465
Ah, but what if they were fruit golems? I daresay fruit would be essential then.

>>72472
if we get to a point where we have nothing left to to defend ourselves with but fruit golems then I'm pretty sure we would be screwed either way, with or without a mountain of fruit.

I really enjoy quest updates that end on a really vital serious decision.

Other than that this quest has the cutest golem of all time.

>>72502
I think the Cave Quasi Dragon is the most adorable mascot ever.

Elephant Guy 2013/06/19(Wed)13:22 No. 72504 ID: 00d261
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>>72502

the Minecraft ones are cuter.

>>72504
minecraft ones are HANDSOME. dungeoneer ones are CUTE/SEXY

I think the quasi-dragon looks like a "Louis" - "Lou" for short.

And I'm diggin' the art style in the quest; The golems are adorable.

Let me tell you about wizards Arhra 2013/06/21(Fri)21:11 No. 72603 ID: 256d52
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In this quest I wanted to make it so all wizards have some sort of specialty. There'll be alchemists, doll mages, alterists, hex-smiths and so on.

Since I wanted to suggest their specialty, I gave golemeters very bulky robes and little face and hand motifs. Merud's hat is a real kind of hat called a biretta.

And yes, as the design hints, they do use animate clothing to defend themselves.

>>72603
I like those cloak-hands so much I will even refrain from the obvious pun.

>>72603
>Even more backing for the believability of the long-distance magus lie

yaaaay

>>72620
of course, we are talking to perhaps one of the few people that can just go "bullshit". they would know what golems can do.

>>72622
On the other hand, isn't a remotely controlled golem more or less what that body actually is? The only real deception is what is on the other end of the line and the fact that we have a piece of our soul or whatever built into it.

>>72645
yes, but he looked right at the red spot on our chest and was like "oh i see", he knows EXACTLY what's going on.

>>72647
Do you think these mages are that familiar with dungeon hearts to be able to recognize even a fragment of one?

what is there to describe it? "red sphere, sentient"
red crystal spheres could be banned to prevent mages from mixing the two up.

>>72647
So he can likely recognize it as a piece of a dungeon heart. I don't see how he would connect it to being connected to a living dungeon heart, because I would think that being in pieces would imply being dead unless this sort of thing happens often.

perhaps they change color when they die? changing from a healthy blood red to a duller red.

>>72647

unless he was staring at Deem's tits. I know I would.

>>72674
"Pervert," said One, hypocritically ignoring his vast collection of [REDACTED]

I just thought that you should know I'll be off without internet for the rest of the week and felt leaving it on that cliffhanger was a bit too cruel.

>>72738
Ouch. Network outages, or camping?

Arhra 2013/07/11(Thu)09:17 No. 73482 ID: 256d52
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Oops, forgot this was a thing!

>>72739
Work trips and questionable hotel internet!

Alas another update was derailed by my love of silly faces. Hard to beat this little guy's neutral face though.

And yes, by 'Boss Mode' I do mean go nuts* with boss transformation ideas. Going One Winged Angel if you'd prefer to dive into the TV tropes titles.

*As long as it's not too difficult to draw.

One 2013/07/11(Thu)12:25 No. 73484 ID: cf49fc
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>>73482
Any limit on size?

>>73484
upvoted this!

MrTT 2013/07/11(Thu)14:47 No. 73486 ID: 47a120
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>>523715
>All those suggestions to be larger, with bigger boobs.
see picture

Meh, I don't see why her proportions have to change when we blow her up to ten feet tall and cover her with glowing armor, magic swords, extra arms, crazy runes and power lines, one wing and/or spider limbs.

Deem is a dungeon heart who identifies as a little blue golem girl and there ain't nothing wrong with that. :V

>>73487
I agree, big boobs mana batteries are NOT a prerequisite to being beautiful.

One 2013/07/11(Thu)15:25 No. 73490 ID: cf49fc
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>>73487
>>73486
Perverts. Why doesn't anyone ever go for the simpler archetypes? The Giant of Light is an underutilized pattern in modern fiction, dammit!

One 2013/07/11(Thu)15:29 No. 73491 ID: cf49fc
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>>73490
Come oooon, the last time we got to play a Giant was MORDRE, and he hardly ever crushed any pitiful fools!

>>73490
>perverts
what?
in >>73486 I am posting a picture that is TECHNICALLY what people asked for (making her larger and more curvaceous) while being very "earthy" AND hideously ugly.
It is a joke at the expense of the actual perverts

Clearly in this case, 'Boss' means 'CEO'. Banking dungeon, ho!

>>73493
HA! that is an awesome idea.
Does that mean she gets a monocle and a top hap?

If I may make a suggestion if you go the quick and nimble route I suggest having copies of yourself with the real you having some slight tell and being tougher than the rest.

it sounds like all the other dungeons around are ether using hearts that are essentially zombie hearts, reanimated dead ones that do what their master commands, or artificially created ones.

>>73486

o bby

>>73509
But that just means you've got a load of useless fetchers who die, and you're under the effect of a haste spell. That whole "Split into five guys" thing never works. Not even in NARUTO.

we DON'T want cliche.

also technically it does work in naruto but only when they act as one BIG guy. like they all grab each other by the ankles to become a naruto ladder. or they do combo moves.

>>73512

But it's a standard cliché for fast type boss's and it looks cool.

Arhra 2013/07/12(Fri)03:55 No. 73533 ID: 256d52
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>>73484
>Any limit on size?
As a general rule, the boss should fit inside the boss room.

Room to manoeuvre tends to be useful as well.

As a general rule guys, we shouldn't JUST design a boss. We're designing a boss battle, and we should plan as such.
I suggested either a large room for wings, or a climby room for the monkey.
But we can do all sorts of things. For example, while a big scary boss is traditional, if we have a smaller, faster boss, we can do fun things like be a lurking horror as the Adventurers wander though the dungeon (think Pikman 2's ghost roller guy, or some other boss that shows up before you get to beat him.)
We have technical potential advantages over most other dungeons. But we can also make ours the most fun, epic dungeon crawl experience EVER!!!

>>73534
Ooh, that gave me an idea, actually: a non-lethal version of the Game.
It would work like this: People can pay two fees, one to just play the game, which will have no returns wether they win or lose. Or, alternatively, they can pay a significantly higher fee to allow for them to have a chance at doubling their wealth.
This will allow us to gain money (and therefore mana) at a meteoric rate, while keeping the harrowers off our ass by being a nice and fluffy amusement park of a dungeon.
We can also have waivers ready for a THIRD difficulty level with an absolutely extortionate fee that, while allowing for them to actually die if they attempt it, and of course being the highest possible difficulty, will give them three times what they put in as well as perhaps some secondary prize of some sort, like perhaps a sword or something!
In addition, by structuring it this way we will be allowed to come up with new and fantastical Ideas, such as a horror-y Amnesia type thing where you have to avoid roving bands of grotesquely deformed monsters by hiding defenseless in a closet or something, or another one where you have to ride in a minecart across a lava pit...
really there is a lot of potential in the theme park idea, especially if we can also charge people to be able to watch the proceedings and hedge bets on who will and will not win!

>>73534
Well, in general a dangerous boss should have a good ranged attack to go after the tricky types of adventurers. As far as I can tell our boss form is unrelated to spellcasting ability, so that leaves a physical ranged attack. Maybe we could get the giant arms and then throw boulders? Or perhaps we could have a room with a flat floor, curved walls, and a supply of spherical boulders to go bowling for adventurers with boulders that roll back when they reach the edges of the room.

Now that I think about it, we should try to find out the type of adventurers we will be dealing with. It is important to know whether our opponents will be more like Link or like a tank+healer+dps raid group.

One 2013/07/12(Fri)08:53 No. 73547 ID: cf49fc
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>>73540
Throwing boulders are just asking for an adventurer to hurl them back in our face, knocking us over and exposing our weakpoint. I suggest large bolts, or arrows...

>>73547
What if we hollow out the rolling boulders and fill them with magma or acid? (An adventurer's weapon presentably has a smaller surface area than enormous boss fists, so it would crack through the other shell much more easily).
We could also keep some spiked metal balls to roll, and then magnetize them (because a great many adventurers use metal equipment or armor, but we are made out of stone). Now that I think about it, there is great potential for hilarity with magnetic traps in general, assuming adventurers don't use stuff made from non-magnetic mithril/adamantine/whatever.

>>73553
>Magnetic balls of magma and spikes
Okay, I just want you to think about this for a minute: Will this hurt if I get hit with it? Will it survive an impact with a sloped wall or a particularly beefy adventurer?

If the answer is yes, it has no part in a boss fight, as it's just giving the Chosen One free hits on us.

>>73554
How about we have an aura that deals unblockable damage? Heat, gravity, pure magic, whatever.

>>73554
To clarify what I was trying to say about the magma shells, the point thoses is that they would burst when hit by an adventurer but not when thrown or caught by us, because things take much less force to break when contacting with a much smaller surface area (such as an adventurer's weapon compared to a giant stone hand). Yes, they could theoretically have a cheap projectile-reverse spell, but that would apply to any non-magic ranged attack.

With the magnetic spheres, I don't think it is that huge of a stretch to think that it would be very difficult to deflect a huge magnet with a weapon made of metal. Some adventurers don't use metal weapons, but for them we could just not throw the magnetic spheres.

We could get rid of the returning wall if you want, though I really don't think that would cause much trouble for us because we would see the returning projectiles well in advance and be able to catch or sidestep them.

This is literally the first image minus anything important Arhra 2013/07/14(Sun)06:46 No. 73608 ID: 256d52
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Regrettably I haven't had time to rush out an update before my trip, so it's going to be up to a week before I have the opportunity to do so.

Designing bosses is time consuming!

>>73540
>Now that I think about it, we should try to find out the type of adventurers we will be dealing with. It is important to know whether our opponents will be more like Link or like a tank+healer+dps raid group.
A little from column A, a little from column B! There will be options to tailor things towards being more of a puzzle dungeon or more of a fighty dungeon.

Let me tell you about boss forms Arhra 2013/07/19(Fri)22:08 No. 73814 ID: 256d52
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The plan from the start was to use as many suggestions for the boss form as possible to reflect a whole pile of random transformations.

I was half expecting to end up with an Akira-esque pile of organs so I guess well played, /quest?

It's a bit cluttered to use for a real boss form though, as you can see from this thing I drew to work out how it all fits together.

Note it's still missing half the features!

I think we want pared down, more focused designs for actual boss fights.

Preferably, we should design more than one so we can choose the correct form to adapt to different threats. Not every group of adventures gets to fight the same thing.

Like, we have agile multi-attack spider form, or a tanking heavy armor form, etc.

we could do multiple boss forms that change throughout the fight. Like Starting with a big armored form that follows the kinda slow but strong and can take on hell of a beating stereotype then have a smaller spider like form that is quick and can clime walls and other surfaces, then have the last one be just slightly larger then our normal size that is very spell focused. Just an idea.

>>73814
Whatever we pare off, the boobs and hips stay.

>>73814
In spite of how crazy /quest/ might seem, once they get an idea on their head they tend to stick with it.

While adorable... how does a golem body even blush?

>>73845
The same way it exists in the first place: MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIC

>>73814
>Insect legs fold into skirt
That's really cool!

Arhra 2013/07/20(Sat)19:54 No. 73866 ID: 256d52
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>>73850
>>Insect legs fold into skirt
>That's really cool!
They have many uses!

I take it that the spider legs is one of the forms you would like to keep

>>73869
I'd like to keep them as well. Hella useful.

>>73866
Best form.

>>73866
Classiest limbs ever. This must continue to be a thing.

Arhra 2013/07/26(Fri)07:03 No. 74050 ID: 256d52
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>Chakarchelou
Because "Charles Carton Chester Louis" was too long. Even if it sounds hella dignified.

Spoilers: Most people are just going to call the quasidragon Charcoal instead. Thank you, #tgchan!

I did also like "Slug", but felt he needed a name that would look good in boss subtitles, just in case.

>Pic unrelated
This is just a few of the designs I was trialing for longer haired boss form.

The second hair colour mainly entertains me because it's the colour of Deem's "blood".

>>74050
>The second hair colour mainly entertains me because it's the colour of Deem's "blood".
The whole thing being that shade doesn't work very well imo, but suppose she had mana-blood highlights or streaks through her hair? Or similar patterned effect for the stoney hair. Could add some nice contrast while also bringing the overall design together.

Deem's short hair keeps reminding me of Little Lulu.

"though you're wild as any Zulu and you're just as hard to tame, Little Lulu I love youlu just the same."

Arhra 2013/08/01(Thu)06:24 No. 74465 ID: 256d52
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>>/quest/528394
>That reminds me, didn't we specifically increase breast size?
>>/quest/528402
>It was suggested, yes. It didn't happen either because there was backlash in dis, or because Deem didn't want it to.
This has reminded me of something I was meaning to mention! But quickly on chests specifically, I found I kept making Deem's bigger because I was worried it might not be obvious enough. :V

>>73487
>Meh, I don't see why her proportions have to change when we blow her up to ten feet tall and cover her with glowing armor, magic swords, extra arms, crazy runes and power lines, one wing and/or spider limbs.
I found I wanted Deem to look physically larger rather than just rescaling her, so I did tweak her proportions in addition to changes that were specifically suggested (which basically boiled down to a bigger bust and wider hips as far as body type goes). To help suggest a change in scale, she's got a slightly larger body relative to her head and longer legs.

>Or, more logically, everything that did happen is something we had a preexisting spell channel for- that Deem must have considered a useful enhancement at one time or another in the past. She obviously never saw the point in setting up that particular enhancement. :V
There's only a one-to-one mapping of spells to channels for the really optimised ones that people cast a lot.

Or for when you only know specific spells from a certain discipline instead of having more general knowledge of it.

yeah i noticed her boobs were bigger right away, some people don't look at images at full size. :V

>a whole post doing nothing but rebuking my boobs theories
...I don't know whether to be more ashamed of that, or the fact I left enough enough of those theories laying around for it to be possible in the first place.

>>74467
Even if you do look full size, it's not exactly obvious with everything else boss mode had going on.

eeyup

>>74468
>Even if you do look full size, it's not exactly obvious with everything else boss mode had going on.
I never said I didn't have valid reasons for worrying! :V

Should named it Quasimodo Dragon.

>>74465
Interestingly, boss mode looks like an adult Deem.

>Filename isn't d&D

>>74468
>Even if you do look full size, it's not exactly obvious with everything else boss mode had going on.

That's one bad mamajamma.

>>74475
The suggestions for boss mode went in the direction of making her look mature, so that's to be expected!

Now if only we could have little sister Deem and big sister Deem at the SAME TIME...

I'm looking forwards to dungeon planning time. It's long overdue.

So lets get cracking!

I envision a maze of a series of small honeycomb rooms with six doors. We get the aerial view and direct our mooks to hit and run sweeps. The appear, strike, than dissapear behind one of six doors.

Then we can do like pot growers and have hooks dangle from fishing lines at eye level.

Have the classic "staring picture" gimmick where the portrait eyes you around the room. Then allow the adventurers discover the other side of the picture. Tempt them by making noise on the original side. They take a peek into the eyeholes then *shick*, two spikes take the highway via eyesockets to the brain, just like in "The Phantom". Its going to be a bit of a challenge for OP to render that scene in they'd cutesy style, but it gets the job done.

That's not the half of it, I've got a billion more where that came from. Guillotine shrinking necklaces, time delayed armor, gear and loot that bursts into acid a few minutes after equipment. Burrowing spear and arrow tips, boobytrapped minions that tarbaby stick to searching hands then explode while being looted, poisoned door knobs, constant loops of tween idol pop songs blasted over the sound system.

When people call me evil, I correct them: "I'm not a monster, I'm a professional."

>>74561
That sounds very unfun. It's the Labyrinth Game, not the Labyrinth Deathtrap.

>>74563
...agreed. There's a difference between a dungeon crawl and a horror movie death trap.

Not that there won't be traps. And not that adventures won't be injured or killed. But strait up murdering all who enter isn't the point. It's a ritual- a challenge. One that's supposed to have a win condition, even.

Actually, with the idea of building a sustainable dungeon? One that brings maximum benefit to us and the town's economy, producing valuable loot and materials to be processed and sold, and bringing in trade, tourism, and traveling adventures to play the game? You'd want some wins. Sure, we gain reputation as being tough if we stop all comers, but people stop playing if they think they don't have a chance to win. Only the occasional epic level adventuring party showing up isn't good for business.

I third the sentiment. This is more like Crystal Maze, Legend of Zelda, or even the titular Labyrinth than Tomb of Horrors. You can still be Gygaxian and do something like "One of these things is not like the others", but remember, Sesame Street used the same gag.

I do like Honeycomb idea, sounds good if you tweak it a bit. Maybe have big brutes kick them out or 'porters take them back to the beginning if they're caught.

You're clearly imaginative, but bring it down a couple gears. Use gameshow challenges and children's games as the basis for your ideas. Some quick examples:

The classic "ground turns into lava/shark infested pool" game. Self explanatory and necessarily engaging.

Update knock-one-out games like Musical Chairs, Hot Potato, and Duck Duck Goose.

We can also put tracking bugs on the prize money and gear to see the flow of goods, see what establishments are popular allowing the possibility for strategic business partnerships; "White Castle, an Official partner of the Labyrithian Games". Heck, you can have whole teams of adventurers sponsored by different companies or municipalities in competition. They thank you for the tourism and promotion, and you thank them for the contestants and the ad revenue.

You could also see the strengths and weaknesses of each adventurer and for a steep premium create a personalized dungeon specifically as their personal challenge, their foil. Should they succeed, give them and that compliments their skill-set, either further enhancing their play-style or covering their weaknesses. If they prove good enough, maybe we can hire them as guardians, legendary hall of famers now available to test you own skills against.

>>74561
I do think we can use a lot of these ideas in less unltra-vicious ways. Like with the picture thing, fishhooks are kind of too far, but I think it would be fair play to do that sort of thing and have a regular trap (like a pit trap) at the viewing side.

About trap leniency in general, I don't know the specifics but I would guess that since most adventurers don't kill the dungeon heart, the goal of a normal dungeon run is the treasury or something rather than the heart chamber. If this assumption is correct, that would make approaching the heart chamber the abnormal action of an adventurer who means us serious harm, and at that point noting is off-limits.

If we are going to do the games to hold the gravity of regional Olympics, we should have a logo. Submissions?

Rooms:

Large space (like field for capture the flag)
Arena
Cafeteria (great side revenue!)

Simple Attribute Challenge STR: Arm wrestle a Golem
SAC DEX: Play slaps with a tentacle monster.
SAC CON: Hold you liquor against a Goblin/Troll/Dwarf
SAC INT:...???
SAC CHA: Convince a guard to lest you pass.

Challenge Idea: Cat & Mouse Maze

Large Monster plays the Cat, adventurers the mouse. They enter the room with a large plane of glass above them. Above the glass is walled maze. There is a little mouse playing piece above that can be moved through the maze with a magnetic handle below. The goal is to get the mouse from one side of the maze to the other. should the Cat capture the mouse, the glass breaks, and the cat falls onto the adventurers. Should they succeed, the mouse scurries into a hole in the wall to the next room, where it will be sitting on a pedestal. If the mouse is opened a valuable item will be found inside.

Challenge 2: Rock Paper Scissors

Play rock paper scissors. Lose and fight either: rock golem, a blade master or constricting blanket of death.

>Honeycomb Maze
Let's try not to turn our dungeon completely into Takeshi's Castle.

Guide 2013/08/03(Sat)13:22 No. 74616 ID: bf54a8
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complex clockwork dungeon idea. each circle is a room, with a challenge in it. complete the challenge and the door forward unlocks, but doesn't open. every 10 minutes the entire assembly rotates. the outer ring moves clockwise 5 spaces, this guarantees all rooms can be entered from the outside. after rotating three times, aka a half hour, if you beat the challenge both doors open and you can leave or enter a second ring room. second ring is a harder challenge and spins one space counter clockwise every half hour. granting a total of 1 hour to beat that whatever. after the second rotation you can enter the third section, which rotates every hour, and after two rotations opens up to the central area. where you claim your prize.

and we can go deeper if you want and have this be a sub gear of an even greater rotating system. can claim the normal level prize or take the stairs and try the ADVANCED course. which made up of several gears of challenge rooms, and ends with a BOSS BATTLE. victory nets you PHAT LEWTS.


weaker parties can do the basic sets and the epic party can move on to the advanced set, fun for all, and challenge appropriate prizes.

Man, when can we expect the next story post? I'm getting antsy for action.

Trap doors. I envision a rouge trying to pick a lock. The lock mangles and eats the picks.

So some burly man walks up to it and tries to bull rush it or kick it in. The door swings inwards and and the whole room tilts sideways, and gravity pulls the guy in. One one foot or charging he'd probably fall in.

The only way of avoiding it is to place charges on the door and blow it while you've got your backs to the walls on the side, but those too are hinged and the open inwards, following the door.

Alternatively, you get past one door made to look like the wall to a narrow hallway 5 feet long. You step in, door closes behind you. You approach the door again. The door falls on top of you while a pit opens beneath you. The door closes the top of the pit, sealing you in while another door rises to take it's place.

due no, we want to be HARD but FAIR. no one likes the idea of pure luck deciding their fate.

Anonymous 2013/08/03(Sat)18:39 No. 74646 ID: c770a7
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Yeah, you're working in our diner, man.

Tough, but fair.

Enchantment? ENCHANTMENT!

Hammerai - Kinetic Armor. Absorbs kinetic energy w/ Damage Reduction, which can then be "redistributed" to thugs in sore need of a sound walloping.

Hammerai - Velocihammer

Hammer with the ability to swing with a speed burst. Linkable w/ K. Armor for rejuicing.

QuakerSmote

Like velocihsmmer, but can direct contained mini-earthquakes localized at enemy's position.

>>74674
>Velocihammer
No need for magic here, just stick a rocket on the back of it.

>>74676
And where do you think we will get a rocket if not enchanting? (Well I guess we could go alchemical, but then you need to reload it.)

I think, in this case its much simpler, safer, more effective and efficient to just use MAGIC. Also give her boots of charge that rejuice from armor.

Anonymous 2013/08/04(Sun)15:45 No. 74697 ID: 68ac42
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Velocihammer concept

Anonymous 2013/08/04(Sun)16:11 No. 74700 ID: 2f4b71
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Clearly the solution is a magical rockethammer.

Tempting, but fire volatile and unpredictable. We dont want her to burn her face off, or set our pad alight.

Ge the apothecary to raise fast growing plants, because the faster the plants grow the faster the animals grow the faster we can eat them.

Fell Beast Wishlist:

A mount for Moriko. Must kick like a mule and bite like a crocodile.

Jumping Cave Spiders

Swordsspiders (stabby/slicy legs)

Cannonball Armadillos

Carnivorous Tentaclope

stealthy Eye Guy that can scope out adventurers

Anything else I forgot to mention?

Anonymous 2013/08/05(Mon)15:26 No. 74752 ID: 68ac42
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Fell Beast Wishlist:

A mount for Moriko. Must kick like a mule and bite like a crocodile.

Jumping Cave Spiders

Swordsspiders (stabby/slicy legs)

Cannonball Armadillos

Carnivorous Tentaclope

stealthy Eye Guy that can scope out adventurers

Anything else I forgot to mention?

I'm Your Bogeyman Anonymous 2013/08/05(Mon)17:22 No. 74760 ID: c770a7
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I propose the institution of Saturday Night Disco.

>>74760
"Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world dance the night away."

Archivemod 2013/08/07(Wed)09:39 No. 74839 ID: e1609c
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>>74752
Yes, we need a skelecopter swarm.

Anonymous 2013/08/07(Wed)14:29 No. 74844 ID: c23ab0
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>>74839

For context,

Skele... copters. Table that for long-term planning, we might need a pursuit squad and something THAT crazy makes an interesting reserve.

Seriously, we should give Deem a long dress with side leg-slits so she can actually move in it if she has to. Nice boots to keep her from looking like a crazy hippie, an arm-purse for carrying stuff if she needs it. 20th-century classy.
She can pad out her bosom with sewn-in gold maybe, that might even be a good idea.

Interesting Concept, but I think mana regen is a function of the bigger red heart, plus we don't want every petty thief in town making a pass for our chest. If it works you have my support... Lets just run that by Ahra first.

On second thought, I disagree. We don't want some conniving earthmage dungeoneer figuring out why a golem is running around with a "heart'o gold", and unless we have an armed guard escort (which is suspiciously noticeable) wearing a rich lady getup makes us a target, regardless of the fact that we can defend ourselves, a stickup draws just as much attention. Maybe its all right for around the house, but it would be weird to dress down for a day out and then be all dressed up and have nowhere to go at home. Maybe we can wear it ceremoniously when the games commence. Sit on our leg throne with a martini like pictured above. Be like Shao Khan and preside over mortal Kombat. "FINISH HIM!"

Though laughably heavy, we might end up lacing the bodice with lead weave on the outside and gold on the inside. Just make sure it's well, erm, supported.

I was thinking something more demure. A ladylike longcoat with a dark, wide brimmed sunhat to keep people from our face. Sideslits are advisable.

I was thinking something more demure. A ladylike longcoat or chlamys with a dark, wide brimmed sunhat to keep people from our face. Underneath thr coat would be a black/slate purple stola with some dungeonheart red trim. Sideslits are advisable. A headband or earth themed laurel would be nice too.

Don't anyone dare say she should wear a breastmail bikini.

Maybe a compromise between Victorian and Greco-Roman costumes. Make a black overcoat/greek poncho/ cape, with gold trim in lacey swirl patterns and a red gem brooch roman/victorian blouse with that classic looking oval gem chocker around the neck, that or a mandarin collar, I've got a thing for those. Maybe make it look a little golemetery to fit in with our new recruit.

Arhra 2013/08/20(Tue)08:23 No. 75393 ID: 256d52
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Seems to be a few things I should take care of.

There's been some spammy posts (some image, some not) both here and in the main thread. It's been getting mostly cleared up by a dark wizardry called moderators but they shouldn't have to do that so could it stop?

I'd prefer the main thread to stay fairly image free, since it helps the updates to stand out.

I should remind people too that you can delete a post if you make a mistake. There's been a lot of duplicate posts.

In the main thread I usually will ignore any suggestions that are not relevant to the current situation so save it for an appropriate moment or bring it up in discussion. Similarly if talking about options is turning into any sort of discussion or debate, best to move it here.

Sorry about the doublepost, Arhra, I keep forgetting my edit passwords. I beg your forgiveness, I will repent of my wicked, wicked ways.

Aye captain. Consider us sternly warned and well advised. I apologize for and on behalf of our lesser contemporaries. We'll try to keep them in line.

test

>author asks people to stop making off topic posts and discussion in the quest thread
>people start making posts discussing this in the quest thread
...is it really necessary to explain the problem here?

This isn't alien concept or special rule-set you should feel the need to alert others of, anyways. This is basic quest etiquette he's having to instruct you on, and that you're failing, here.

On the topic of clothing, I think Deem should consider on commissioning the smith to make some armor, and offer your golem forces to provide assistance in procuring the supplies, be it running to the port city and back, or digging them out, or simply holding stuff still while she hammers it.

Its more concrete way to keep her around.

>>75400

I think the link is useful. I hardly ever go to discussion threads, so if something is going on there its nice to be informed about it. I think some other guys would appreciate it too.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

>>75399
Those who use the main thread instead of this one are most likely not noticing post in this thread. Because they are not here but only use the main thread, you see? One post over there linking this thread is therefore quite helpful, imho. Any more than that should be pruned, of course.

Well, back to clothing. I think the Chlamys is too military oriented, probably more suitable for our soon to be Hammerai. I think a achiton would be more appropriate.

>>75420
Based on what I was seeing, it seemed just posting here would be sufficient. Had I thought otherwise, I would have put a mention in the main thread too.

I think the visual design of the characters is one of the strongest parts of this quest, and playing dressup with deem is not necessary and would basically dilute it. That's the problem I have with most of the dressup style things on this site, and this one doesn't even have a paper doll.
Did Arhra even want us to bother with clothes or did people just start it out of nowhere?

titty-mmm-bop-bop-tittays

>>75425
I would second this, and yes, it just started out of nowhere.

Honestly, clothing Deem would first require her to acknowledge that there is something wrong with how she's currently presenting herself, and I don't easily see her reaching that conclusion. :V

i also agree. she MAY agree to a disguise if she goes anywhere that sentient golems would be considered a bad thing. or where a dungeon heart would do more then make a golem mage jizz in their pants.

but clothes just for clothes sake? not happening.

I think the clothing thing started when someone suggested we cover her dungeon heart up with something so if we come across anyone from that dungeon guild they wouldn't be able to point us out as a dungeon. (I'm to lazy to look for the thread)

Well, Arhra did give us the option early on.

>>518509
> "There's a few shops along the main street." he chuckles again. "Lianna there can set you up if you'd be needing new clothes or anything."

>Entymologically

describing or pertaining to the evolution or origins of insect related words.

>>75429

That can be found here:
>>534953

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>>75425 She gave us the option, but we don't have to wear clothes all the time--just when we are in danger of being recognized by dungeoneers, harrowers and non-friendlies.

Properties of materials and rare earths. What do we want to see? I want reverse states of matter, with a boiling point below its condensing point etc.

Also, repeating what some guy said: materials, from greatest to least earthpulse conductive. Also, any weaknesses.

willing to bet gold is the best due to a combination of availability/conductivity. like there are more conductive materials but they are MUCH rarer. thing to enhance our conduction could be to leave an empty gap going right down the middle of all hallways an stuff. all leading to the heart. and eventually we fill in the gap by pouring gold into it as we get it, creating a massive conductive web.

Or easy pickings for looters, and a money trail to our most vulnerable and vital component. I'm not sure why we'd need a network either, seeing as how our Dungeonheart is the only thing we posses that can produce and store mana with gold. To spread gold away from us would lessen its effects. Maybe it might increase range circulation, but not production.

So, how are we going to do public relations with the nearby municipalities?

also, is Izakkik going to stay in town? If not, how can we keep her here long enough to get the resources to provide for her?

Add to special materials mana "sponge" material, to soak up dripping mana. Also, upgrade body with better materials, Deem ought to be made of sterner stuff. I wonder if her aesthetic formations would change if she were made of different materials...

>>75508
it's SOLID gold, would need to get tools, and while they are working we can have a monster jump out and kill them. just put a sign that says "intentionally damaging the dungeon will be met with harsh punishment." out front. dungeons are a business, and adventurers are the customers. basically we need to be semi-osha. no un-dodge-able instant death traps. if they die then they failed. if they succeed then they get to take a treasure. like a totally badass sword made by Hin and enchanted by us. and then they leave. if they try to attack the heart itself we are allowed to blow them up. so a trail leading to the heart isn't that big a deal.

That's hinged on a lot of conditions for minimal benefits, if any. Also a few problems:

Earthmages can just pop it out of there, or even animate it to walk away with them. And gold is REALLY soft, it takes a lot less effort than you think to chip it off.

If it's worth it, its worth it, but so far it's an aesthetic peice, miles of cast gold is too expensive for our fluff budget. I think our people in finance, had we any, would agree.

And what about Harrowers. "Ohai fellas, I know you spend years specifically training in ways to dismantle me, let me just paint you a yellow brick road straight to my heart so we can cut the foreplay."

what? i said WEB. webs do not involve one straight line. it would go through EVERY hallway and door. there is no way to follow it since it goes every direction.

"all the hallways and stuff" doesn't clarify "going right down the middle" and "all leading to the heart". Thr image I got was a spiderweb, with major strands traveling in straight lines converging at the center while peripheral strands wrap around it linking the major lines. You can differentiate between straight lines and lines that bend at an angle every time it intersects another.

"it would go through EVERY hallway and door. there is no way to follow it since it goes every direction."

That futher emphasizes the cost problem.
Look, I'm not here to purposelessly antagonize you. I just sounds like there are quite a few genuine concerns to address, like does it do anything.

dude, everything in here is theoretical. i am making shit up as 'what if?' ideas. you know, brainstorming? it really cuts into the mood with you basically calling my ideas dumb listing problems, but not listing anything helpful. like what if it is IS a great way to get energy?

>>75553
Dude, don't take it personally. Pointing out possible flaws is a part of brainstorming.

Like I said Jacob, my job isn't to be you're enemy. Hey if it works, great! Take a few precautions, pour the line underground and have at it. If your idea gets past quality control jerks like me its probably more than just sound. As it stands though, I don't see how spreading our gold around does anymore good than keeping it in one place. Something for R&D to toy with for a long time before implementing something on that scale.

My ideas are open for critique too, ya know.

>>74561
>>74629
>>74684
>>74702
>>74697
>>74705
>>74760
>>74752

...and...
>>74592
>>75386
>>74600
>>74629
>>74674
>>72386
>>75388
>>75520
>>75486
>>75468

Dungeons 101 Deem 2013/08/26(Mon)09:27 No. 75599 ID: 256d52
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There's been a lot of speculation and questions about dungeon design. It's a bit early, but I guess a preview can't hurt!

Firstly, a treasury is more like lungs than the conducting circuits(?) you're talking about. There's not much point to spreading gold all over the place. The shape of the dungeon directs the earth pulse into the treasury - treasuries, for a sensibly designed dungeon - and the gold there gathers the earth pulse into usable mana. That's then stored in the Dungeon Heart. The Dungeon Heart is also the core of the spell channels which circulate mana through the dungeon to power things like golems, traps, guardian spells, and amenities like lights and running water.

I say gold, but noble metals and crystals will also draw the earth pulse. Gold has the best balance of availability and conductivity. The ideal situation is a lot of bulk material seeded with more conductive substances such as gemstones. As to the magical metals, they are usually better used for crafting once enough is stockpiled and a skilled enough smith is available. The most common magical metals can be found naturally, but it is also possible to create them with a skilled alchemist.

Orichalcum, like the sword I found, is made with mountain copper. The raw copper ore has to be alloyed to make bronze for it to be very useful. Mythril is true-silver, it's most notable quality is it's strong but extremely light. Adamantium is fond in platinum sometimes. It's virtually indestructible. Finally, gold can be made into chrysadamant, but it's still quite heavy so it's not as commonly used.

The other use for these materials veers into the second big source of mana: adventurers! Intrusion, conflict and competition stirs up the earth pulse, allowing vastly more mana to be gathered. This has to be done in earnest, there needs to be something at stake for everyone involved. A dungeon should be designed to challenge and stir the soul to greatness. Adventurers are putting themselves in the way of danger for a chance at glory and wealth.

Treasure chests provide a focus for such ambitions, so a quality treasure in one can generate quantities of mana much greater than the materials expended in creating it. Equipping a dungeon's elite guardians with a prize enchanted weapon is also popular, since it tends to make them much more formidable.

Lastly, something important you should know about is Sealing Designations. The part of a dungeon that adventurers can access isn't actually the full extent of the dungeon!
The purpose of this is to limit the damage they can inflict. This usually includes the primary treasury, store rooms, workshops, and as much of the living quarters and communal spaces as can be arranged. I said more than one treasury is sensible earlier because it's impossible to put all the gold behind Sealing Designations.

In my time, Dungeon Hearts weren't placed behind a Sealing Designation - the Heart Chamber is a great place to use for the last guardian, but I suppose things might have changed?

A weaker version of a Sealing Designation is used to funnel adventurers. Doors might be locked until a condition is met. Things like solving puzzles, defeating a certain dungeon guardian, or even just needing a key. It's very useful for stalling the invaders while everyone's still getting into position, and buying time to alter the inner sections of the dungeon to counter them better.

I like the idea of a revolving dungeon, but to suit our needs, not and random.

We'd use it to exploit a specific weakness or quality of the adventurers.

>>75599
Knowing all this, I think our best bet is a dungeon with multiple paths, each with a theme to make them more dangerous for different types of adventurer groups. A party without a cleric could be assaulted by a path laden with poisonous gas and toxic swamps. A party without a thief would have trouble with traps being all over the place. A party without a combat focus could be sent to a gauntlet of creatures amongst difficult terrain. Only needing to have one path active at a time would reduce upkeep

I also had some ideas for the sealed part of the dungeon. I think (since we're going to build this thing in the mountains) that the upper part of the mountain we should use as the living quarter/workshops part while having the actually dungeon that the adventurous will use going deeper into the earth. The reason I have for this is we could hollow out a part of the upper part of the mountain to expose it to the outside world and use it to grow things (like alchemy ingredients if we ever get an alchemist) and maybe some food for our 'workers'.

The word you're looking for is apothecary. Alchemists are more like chemists than botanists.

I suggest we should be an escape Labyrinth as opposed to a explore Labyrinth. Make getting in the easy part and getting out their primary concern (easy pickings, considering they are heavy laden with treasure.)

On the topic of respawning pools. Can we respawn our enemies should we choose? We can use them for practice and to keep our e-pulse up during downtime, among various other conceivable uses.

>>75613
how would calling back an enemy help? said it needs to be ERNEST. the person needs to truly be trying, if the are thinking "it's just practice" then it doesn't help.

Anonymous 2013/08/26(Mon)17:28 No. 75619 ID: 68ac42
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This is ERNEST. I believe you were trying to say EARNEST.

And tell me, who is going to be more earnest, a guy whose crawling for gold or a guy who is trying desperately to escape dying a thousand times over again?

>>75599
Deem, do you consider rhenium & mercury in you list of noble metals?

and do you think anyone other then the alienist would wont feel bad about rezzing and killing a guy over and over? that is "fuck this i'm out" tier bad shit.

> dude, everything in here is theoretical. i am making shit up as 'what if?' ideas. you know, brainstorming?

I would won't prefer you to practice what you preach if you would won't the same courtesy.

>>75629
If you can't take people rejecting your ideas, don't present them.

Also, I agree with him. Trapping someone in the dungeon like that for the express purpose of killing them over and over would be needlessly cruel.

>>75553
Again, his words, not mine.

>>75631
As is turkey farming. I used a dramatized example to get a point across; people in prison won't fake a break out. Sure, full-fledged thunderdome-style Mortal Kombat is an unpretty option on a very pretty table, but it's also an exaggeration for contrast. Gladiator fights are reliable source of pulse if the brownstuff hits the spinning blades. Besides, there are plenty of other utilities rezzed enemies can offer.

I have to say, Rezzing enemies and putting them to work for any purpose seems contrary to the spirit of the game. We're building a contest here, that's supposed to attract adventures to test themselves. Some will succeed, some will fall. Enslaving failed challengers seems in poor taste.

(If we even can. Deem said victorious heros could have fallen allies restored to them- not that we could revive anyone who dies in the dungeon when we feel like it).

http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/514046.html
>>514060
> I will be able to resurrect them once I can make a respawning pool.

We have golems for slave work. These guys are spartacussing their way out of the pit they dug themselves in. If they can contest their way in, they can sure as hell contest their way out.

All it is is a two way toll. If you don't want it to be that profitable you can always include treasure a perk to successful contestants on their way out.

If no one actually dies because of our involvement, their families and drinking buddies have less to whine about (and to seek revenge for.)

>>75641
they died, that means they COULDN'T contest their way in.

>>75639
What? Oh, your >s are getting fucked up.

Also I think you MIGHT be a sociopath.

Funny you should mention sociopathy. Contrary to common perception, sociopathy (officially known Anti-social Personality Disorder) is not a one size fits all mental condition. Like autism, its more of a spectrum. About 1%-3% of the worlds population are sociopaths. It is a very small percent of these individuals are homicidal, or even violent. Historically, some of the worlds most successful people, even the most generous, have been recorded or suspected cases of psychopathy/sociopathy.

So, umm... Thank you, I suppose.

You two do know that I used lethality as an extreme case to demonstrate a point because the "ernestness" of the contestants was questioned, I don't plan to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary in self defense.

Also, they'd only have to fight out as far as they got it, so if they got that far and failed, they only have that far get out again.

I suppose it just goes to prove the old adage:

Never drop an Ace when a Deuce will do.

>>75656
You're not making a great case for yourself about the sociopath thing. From a plan perspective I kinda have to veto your respawn farming idea. (our allies wouldn't stand for it, it would give us a bad reputation as a dungeon, and I frankly just find it a bit distasteful) The escape labrynth idea may be a good one. We do the team testing after the obvious timer starts and the contestants would be less likely to notice/question the funneling into rooms specialized against them and would break up team dynamics in the process. The bad part though would be that there would be no good spot to place a boss.

I suppose Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steve Jobs and Plato were just the lucky ones. Two knew how to deal with people, and one knew how to market a product.

You guys, I'm falling asleep here. Between the grade school name calling and the sociopathy awareness presentation I'm bored beyond tears. Lets get back on topic before someone pins a blood-red ribbon to their lapel.

Back to hammer design, I suggest we have hooks come down from the ends of the hammer so Hammerai can rip shields to get at their center.

>>75669
Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a hammer as a weapon though? It's meant as a blunt force instrument which transfers all of its energy past armor instead of breaking through the armor itself; also if we start adding tearing to the weapon it might make it unusable for the hammerai style. According to the short description for the char, she wants to prove that her fighting style is strong, so maybe we should hold off on designing hammers until we can get her opinion.

>>75662
>>75670
[Guys, cool it and get back to the quest discussion.]

Arhra 2013/08/28(Wed)02:41 No. 75678 ID: 256d52
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what is this i dont even

For the benefit of what appear to be the younger members of our audience, let me say this:

If you think the other guy's a jerk and don't like what he's saying fight him by NOT participating in his flame war. We're all getting pretty sick of this, and since this probably isn't your first time visiting the zoo you're either blind or intentionally ignoring the sign at the entrance which reads:

"DONT FEED THE TROLLS"

Everyone who pulls shit like this ends up dragging everyone agreeing with or spatting with him under the wrath of the Mods. Something along the lines of the cause-and-effect comcast commericals:

Don't incur the wrath of the Mods > Switch to Pacifism today.

>>75677

Ha ha ha. No, no, my friend; you misunderstand me.

These hooks not for made for penetrating, but for pulling. They extend downwards, parallel to the shaft, from the two faces of the hammer.

The purpose of these is to curl around the edge of the opponent's hammer and using proper leverage pry it away from it's defensive position, opening him for a blow to his core.

This maneuver can also be used on weapons, although it requires more careful maneuvering to engage the weapon by twisting it for multiple points of contact and to avoid injury to self.

http://filmswords.com/images/frazetta/frazetta-death-dealer-axe-1.jpg

above is an example of this feature on an axe. Notice the spike curved downward is cannot properly strike a person as a warpick would.

Edge of the opponent's shield, you mean.

>>75685
Hmm, there's a good chance that will work. It wouldn't change up the style too much but would make it a fair bit more effective. If the Hammerai says it's cool then I say go for it.

>>75678
Slow updates + an active fanbase = silly shit

Don't worry, it isn't your fault.

We should ask her which weapons she is proficient with and which weapons she is willing to use. We understand she is working on a specific fighting style, but if she should ever be without her hammer...

Also, she ought to have side-arms. Maybe smaller hand sized warmallets, throwable and enchanted retrievable like mjolnir. Heck, we can make one in Charmanders image and call IT slug. Blunt-nosed, and should you need a pick instead, his mouth opens and a spike pops out.

Anonymous ## Admin ## 2013/08/30(Fri)09:29 No. 75735 ID: f29090
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Hey. Cut it out.

This thread is for discussing the quest. If you want to have a BDA, you know where to go.

Now then. Wanna grab a burger?

Wassa BDA?

>>75738
Big Dumb Argument. As in the second thread on General discussion right now. You can't miss it.

is that a heart frag on a mook golem? Does that mean we're going to have little sister Deem?

>>75766
no, they all have red eyes.

so that thing in its CHEST is its EYE?

>>75776
What thing in its chest?

First golem on the left, right below the collar.

>>75780
Oh, you mean in this image? >>72356

I'm pretty sure that's just a creative placement of an eye for aesthetic reasons. Not an additional core fragment.

I wonder, can you loop together two dungeonhearts? Maybe we can slave a zombiedungeonheart to our mana system.

>>75781
Could even be for functional reasons, what with the "hair" being in the way of where his eyes would normally be.

Well, lets see if we can FIND other dungeonhearts first. Maybe develop some sort of dreamsense? If we get a live one I propose we name him Doom or Damn, and if a girl we name her Dear.

Well, lets see if we can FIND other dungeonhearts first. Maybe develop some sort of dreamsense? If we get a live one I propose we name him Doom or Damn, and if a girl we name her Dear or Doll.

Agreed, but watch your double posts, mister.

I was using a friends network, and my computer cant recall the edit password. <:-(

GIRLS- Dame, Dawe, Dawn, Dary, Demi, Debi, Dori, Dott, Didi, Dizi, Dona, Dana, Dora
BOYS- Dare, Dorm, Dale, Dent, Data, Dude, Dunn, Daze, Daad, Dart, Dagr, Digg, Dean, Duke, Dirk, Dick, Dill, Doni, Dino, Dapr, Domo, Dred, Darl, Dawg, DJay, Dave, Daka, Dipr, Dtri, Dash,
Dawc
NEUTRAL- Deco, Dazl, Ding, Dose, Doze, Duck, Disc

YOU- Derp, Dope, Dump, Dush, Dork, Ditz, Dolt

Arhra 2013/09/02(Mon)07:48 No. 75821 ID: 256d52
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>>75781
Ayup. I wanted to work a crystal in on all of the golems to link them back to Deem and I was experimenting with hiding parts of the face to help show they're generic mass produced golems.

I did think this one might be confused with a heart fragment though.

Dove. I take it you silence on the Two hearts one Dungeon is not particularly significant?

>>75823
Can a circle have two centers?

>>75824
Only if they overlap.

Deft. In three dimensions, yes. Neighbors, then?

>>75821
I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. No disadvantages to it jump to mind and it is a really nice design.

In fact, if anything, it would serve to mask Deem's unusual chest-gem situation as simply a bit of stylistic flair.

>>75824
An oval can be considered to have two centers...

>>75830
No, it cannot. Those are foci.

What program do you use to draw, friend?

Blacksmith's motto:
Vir optimus, ut metalli, est omnino invariabilis

Alienist's motto:
Sidera observant, quia videntium te

Hammerai's motto:
Suus tempore malleum

Google Translate Says:
Blacksmith's motto:
best man, as the metal, is entirely invariable
Alienist's motto:
watch the stars for watching
Hammerai's motto:
It's time to hammer

Anonymous 2013/09/03(Tue)07:37 No. 75867 ID: 68ac42
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24 hours since Deem's last post;
Already watching "Labyrinth" on loop.

(It's onleeey Forever)
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Odd, when I tried google translate it was a much more coherent;

Blacksmith's motto:
(the) best man, as metal, is entirely invariable

Alienist's motto:
watch the stars for (they are) watching(you)

Hammerai's motto:
It's time to hammer (close enough for jazz)

It seems your translation struggles with pronouns and present progressives.

>>75867
I think the grammar is fucked up on the alienst's motto.

the stars of watching are watching you because.

Stars is the nominative noun, so it's the subject. "watching" is plural so it's the verb and it's present and active. The only accusative is tu (you) which is singular. the genitive is plural so it agrees with "stars," not "you." genitive has to belong to a noun. You don't translate "because of watching you" because tu is the direct object, and there's not a proper participial phrase that should be set off by quia.

>>75840
The last one is not even close to that.

"His [no noun in the proper case] [no verb] the hammer from time."

Suus is "his," a reflexive possessive noun in the nominative. "malus" is the noun "hammer" in the accusitive, which is the direct object, although there is no verb for it to be the direct object of. "Tempore" is the noun form of "time, and is in the ablative case, which means "away from."

Talk to the google because the everyone else is too busy TL;DR

Okay, smart guy. You've shown your vocabulary is about eight inches longer than everyone else's--Fix it.

Guys, what did we just finish discussing? If Arhra has to make another post about this the golem is going to facepalm straight through his face.

>>75875
Don't listen to them, you're the one that's actually addressing a problem.

>>75878
>>75880
I didn't even touch the first one. I just saw latin on the front page. I don't even know what these are or what they're supposed to be saying.

I thought suus worked for neuter pronouns too.

>>75883
It does, but it's a reflexive pronoun, not a contraction of "it is."

Guys, any theories about Deems origins? What about that riveted Celestiuna seal on the heart?

Are we unwitting participants in the order of Sun Myung Moon?

Point, but way too open ended as is. It might be worth returning to the original dungeon to pone around, find unlooted ítems and gather some much needed context. Could also hit the forest on the way back.

Arhra, >>/quest/539412 in the latest update appears to be missing the "<CANDIDATE> HAS BEEN RECRUITED!" status message we've gotten before. Is this a mistake?

Arhra 2013/09/05(Thu)05:11 No. 75932 ID: 256d52
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>>75829
>I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. No disadvantages to it jump to mind and it is a really nice design.
>In fact, if anything, it would serve to mask Deem's unusual chest-gem situation as simply a bit of stylistic flair.
That's a good point actually. I'll have to remember it.

>>75832
>What program do you use to draw, friend?
I use Inkscape, which is a vector graphics program.

Here's an older drawing of mine and a blank doll for comparison.

Trying to hide the joins can be a little painful though, and you can't do variable stroke thickness, so for Dungeoneer I thought I'd try just using fills. I've been really happy with it so far.

>>75924
>Arhra, >>/quest/539412 in the latest update appears to be missing the "<CANDIDATE> HAS BEEN RECRUITED!" status message we've gotten before. Is this a mistake?
Oops!

>>75924
Exposure to alien energies is messing with our UI. The messages prompt sees to have been stalled.

Don't worry, I'm sure the backlog of messages in the queue will display themselves once we're out of his immediate area of influence. :V

Well, seeing as how a proper dungeon functions with what can most easily be described as a metabolism, I think it might be beneficial to expand the metaphor.

You know what we need? Bees. Lots and lots of bees. They can serve as watchdogs, couriers and as a source for imperishable sweets.

It could go three ways, I imagine. A hand full of big beefy bees, an absolute swarm of micoscopic bees like the ones used as pesticide in brazil, or highly specialized bees that nat 100 their specific task.

>>75978

Yeah, I see what your saying. I say go for specialization, and have one specialize in being general and interchangeable.

Also, have them harvest Gold as well as Honey. Just thing; GOLEN COMBS IN EVERY BITE.

That would work great in a Vault-type Dungeon, if we want to run a section like a bank. Maybe we can run it out of this Seaside town. Donate it to the Golemeters and have them play our bank.

Deem's dungeon should have a giftshop now that she's discovering the wonders of commerce. Charging hilarious amounts for resurrection services is also an option.

>>76243
Definitely we need to have a shop located outside of the dungeon selling adventurers potions and weapons and stuff. More gold for the pile.

>>76262
I still think the best way around that is to use the town outside the dungeon for that.

Think about it- if we invest in (or own) businesses in town, we still make a return on the commerce. But our dungeon bringing trade to town (both in the form of selling things to adventures, and the hospitality / service industry that spring up around tourist attractions) nets us a lot of goodwill, and further influence in town. That's valuable, I think.

Completely subvert the 'evil dungeon over yonder' mechanic. We're not a menace, we're good for business, a partner! Town and Dungeon both making a living off adventures passing through. Town and Adventures make a living off the resources harvest from and around the dungeon. (Well, the successful adventures, anyways. The less successful adventures lose their shirts and head home).

Best part is if the town is on our side, it'll be in their best interest to side with us against things like the Dungeon Guild or the Harrowers. Anything messing with their local dungeon is bad for business, you see?

>>76265
I see what you are saying, but I mean specifically taking gold that we can then put in the dungeon to contribute to mana regeneration. Let the town have the main shopping, we'll just have the convenience store.

This is further down the line, anyway.

>>76265
Thats why we need vaults IN house though, to keep monster production outside low, while still producing them within.

>>76270
If we're involved in business in the town, we can take our share of the profits as gold and/or gems and stack them in our vaults. So long as the town is bringing in outside income from traveling adventures and selling rare monster parts to the outside world, our slow taking pieces of gold out of circulation is sustainable.

...up until we've actually taken enough gold out of circulation to significantly affect the scarcity of what's left. But I expect that will take a long time. And if it ever does happen, it can be circumvented by backing an alternate currency. (Let the humans trade strips of paper or enchanted credit cards or whatever, while we sit on our pile of mana generating gold).

>>76273
Yes, we'll have vaults in-house to power the dungeon heart, and the main dungeon / heart / vaults should be situated far enough outside of town that the town is well outside the area of monster spawn.

Putting the dungeon in the mountains may have the advantage of confining the monsters somewhat anyways- things that spawn there may not be inclined to relocate to another biome.

guys, common notion is already that dungeons aren't evil. people know about the dungeoneer's guild.

>>76273
Well of course. All the real profits go inside, only keep enough for change in the shop.

>>76295
tell that to the Harrowers. I'm sure there's a divided public opinion, and wandering monsters certainly dont help PR.

logo design? Logo design.

>>76358
Bam.
(Pretend I know how colors work)

Archivemod 2013/09/25(Wed)15:56 No. 76423 ID: e1609c
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>>76422
Fuck I forgot to include the file

>>76423
I don't think that really counts as a logo for a dungeon. I think we'd want more of a sigil or symbol.

So I notice there's some interesting ideas in the quest thread but that they aren't in here! Something about telescopic surveyor golem glass-blowers or something? I'm mangling it but that's because I need details, damnit.

Details I can discuss. In this here discussion thread. If the suggest who mentioned that idea sees this, let's talk.

I'm also curious how wearing the mimic is supposed to work. Could be cool.

>>76425
it originally was one then I got a bit carried away
it was initially just the center bit, but it sucks anyways so I was thinking we could make our psuedodragon friend into the sign thing, pub-style, somethin like that?

Hey guys, yeah Mod, I was thinking about a personal insignia, my idea is to have the heart gem in the middle of of a triangle that represents what is to be Mt. Deem while mounted on either side by Quasimodos as supporters, also emulating the eye of providence--or some sort of monogram with D E E M, and form it into some sort of building. I do like the Dragon's Head pub idea, though.

I know some guy tried and horribly mangled his latin while attempting to provide mottos, But I think his "watch the stars" and "invariable metal" ideas were pretty solid. Any others?

Also, we ought to have a proper estate name for our lair.

Sadly, I've been overworked this week and am about to head over to my sister's move out west. Expect everything sometime this evening.

Personally I'd want to hold off on designing logos until we've actually got the dungeon set up or at least actually see where we're going to put it. I'm wary of including anything to do with our Heart in the design, I wouldn't want any adventurers to get the idea that it's the "goal" of the dungeon.

Likewise, I wouldn't want to associate Deem and her golem body too strongly with the dungeon itself. Yes, she is the dungeon, but it's better that others don't know that.

I think archivemod is on the right track. It's a dungeon, it's in a mountain. Clear, straightforward, practical for all parties involved.

>>76506
As a somewhat more personal aside, and I'm not trying to step on any toes here, I know how annoying younger brothers can be (I am one) but if you could chastise them in real life instead of adding more unproductive posts to the questthread, it'd be ideal.

>>76452

Clearly I meant chest on head, not on foot.

Classic Gygaxian mimics (and their lesser cousins, MIMICS IN SPACE) are able to change their form, shape, color and consistency, the only thing they can't change is their texture, which means a mighty-morphin makeover whenever we need it. Now if Deem had the Divequest mimic, no such luck, the best we can do is modify our body to wear the chest on our back like a knapsack.


>>76524

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but my brother is (figuratively) deafer than a haddock, it was the only real way to get his attention--otherwise he'd just close his eyes and pretend I wasn't there.

>>76554
Ah. Neat idea, but obviously heavily dependent on in-setting details which have not yet acquired and I'd frankly consider unlikely. I think we should probably leave the mimic in the dungeon if we get it in any case, Deem the golem gets less out of it than Deem the dungeon and it could be assailed even when the golem body is out and about.

Hmm. Having awareness of two places at once is a valuable asset that I expect will come in handy in the future. We should keep it in mind.

Have you been busy Arhra? Or has the Dear Madeem forgotten us?

>>76878
Soon.

Arhra 2013/10/21(Mon)07:44 No. 76945 ID: 256d52
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It's a royal jelly when it's a larva, becomes a slime princess after it grows a little and eventually turns into a slime queen when it gets strong enough?

Also slimes are budded off out of the little nodule on the crown.

soo...
we have 1 Monster Master, as well as 3 Mercenaries, along with Deem, the Dungeon heart.
Anyone have any ideas on how the order of the dungeon should go then?
Personally, here's what I'm thinking:
Hammerai is the first 'boss'/ in the first room of the dungeon proper-she wants to prove the worth of her style/do lots of fighting, and this will fit in with that. To make sure she's not outnumbered, maybe place a few high-quality golems that mimic her style there in there with her, to give the sense of 'challanging the Hammerai Dojo'.
After that, I think we should probably have a hallway full of the Blacksmith's traps, and then a second room with the Stargazer, with some slimes to aid him in his fight. After that, a third room with golem soldiers and Charles, before the final battle with Deem herself, with a chest that comes up with the appropriate level of prizes..
As for puzzles...
One thing I thought of is a sort of puzzle fight, with the hammerai- here, you have a few shiftable blocks, and switches on the ground. Both the hero or the Hammerai can smack them around onto the switches and thus activate traps-the idea being to catch your opponent in a trap before the same is done to you.
The StarGazer, could have a room designed to resemble a night sky, from the floor, to the walls, while actually being a maze to navigate through, comeplete with either pre-set magical traps, or perhaps, golems that act as scrying sensor-things for him to see and move around in the maze with, and when he finds a hero he gets to start casting away!
Gonna need a bit to think of more thematic stuff for Blacksmith, but those are my -off the cuff- ideas, so to speak, without a good sense of what each character's exact capabilities are.

Well, Zaealix, I'm glad you're on the ball. I admit I don't like to jump into things quite so quickly, I prefer a more methodical, systematic approach to all my designs. It usually involves a lot of self directed questions, measurements, research and studies, mnemonic acronyms and lots and lots of binary flowcharts.

I usually start all my designs with this first step, an acronym that investigates my (rather our) motives and intentions and the most simple, direct manner of achieving our desired results. You've clearly familiar with it in practice since you listed our assets and then stated to coordinate them, but I'll include it here for the benefit of others. It goes a little like this:

WHU are you?


What do you want?

what do Have?

how can you use what you Have to get what you Want?


After some rumination and pondering I move onto the next stage, the SWOT analysis.

Strengths (Assets)
Weaknesses (Liabilities)
Opportunities
Threats

The third stage is the PEST analysis, which goes into less localized entities and variables that describe the extended environment and further dissect our situation therein.

PEST (Political, Economic, Socio-cultural, Technological)

Political landscape
(who are the players in this game, and what are the rules? groups, affiliations, candidates, office holders, ethics and policies, laws.)

Economic
(what do people want? what do people have? how do they use what they have to get what they want? how is wealth determined and how does it change hands? Where does it gravitate to and from where is it repelled? How long is it typically retained? Then onto more complex economic theory which probably won't see much use Our mineral sense should come in handy for this.)

Social-cultural
(arts, humanities, ethnic groups and customs, etc...) ...Whew... Losing steam here... Okay.

Technological
(self explanatory, also our niche.)


There are more steps to my process but they get really complicated and I'm getting the equivalent of winded for computers.

Also it seems that my Surveyor proposal had not been posted. This must be remedied... later.

Also, it seems that Arhra is pretty firm about the options she gives us, so my suggestion borne from experience is save the lateral thinking for the dungeon design... not for other decisions. She may not take too kindly to us being too... creative, shall we say, with our deviations from the beaten path. If you haven't heard of the serenity prayer, I suggest you look it up now.

TL;DR

I suggest we keep dungeon design at this time simplistic and modular until we get more data and we have more experience with Deems reactions to our suggestions. The though we should invest into dungeon design, however, should be far from rudimentary.

Respectfully, nobody cares about your method and this thread isn't the right place for it. It's for discussing the quest, not... you.

There's nothing wrong with planning now, but it's important to keep things loose. Many of our assumptions are faulty and Deem'll drop more info when it becomes relevant.

And I think that Arhra is perfectly accommodating of lateral thinking bound by the characters in play. Deem is inept at commerce and Liana was already giving her a good deal, a lot of our suggestions just didn't work in the framework of the situation. That happens and shouldn't be taken as evidence of anything this early on in the game.

Arhra 2013/10/22(Tue)01:22 No. 76964 ID: 256d52
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>Also, it seems that Arhra is pretty firm about the options she gives us, so my suggestion borne from experience is save the lateral thinking for the dungeon design... not for other decisions. She may not take too kindly to us being too... creative, shall we say, with our deviations from the beaten path. If you haven't heard of the serenity prayer, I suggest you look it up now.
Fun story, I did originally work in suggesting payment plans or deposits, but it didn't flow very well so I took it out. Basically, saying yes to "Hello, I am about to leave town on a dangerous journey. Can I pay a deposit for this expensive item, take it with me, and give you the rest of the money when I return and am rich?" isn't a good idea. It also felt that Deem wouldn't be very familiar with the concept and that to establish Lianna as a friendly shopkeeper, she couldn't shoot down too many of Deem's ideas.

Not to mention buying the mimic wasn't strongly supported compared to the slime, and a few posts did help intensify Deem's fear of running out of gold.

Speaking of assets and lateral thinking, did you ever consider the possibility that maybe Deem could exchange the sword made of valuable magical metal that she owns for money?

Although, now I've mentioned it, I'm going to have to take that option off the table. Sorry to anyone who comes up with it independently in between me writing this and them seeing it!

Dungeons 102 Deem 2013/10/22(Tue)04:33 No. 76967 ID: 256d52
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>Anyone have any ideas on how the order of the dungeon should go then?
Hello again! Class is in!

Usually the first few rooms of a dungeon are there to as a delaying tactic to give the dungeon's defenders time to set up and get to their places. This can be important if they were in the middle of doing something else. It takes a while to fully close the Sealing Designations leading to the parts of the dungeon the adventurers are not supposed get to, and get everyone who won't be fighting the invaders off behind those doors. It can get messy if there's a mix up!

Another purpose is assessing the invaders so tactics can be adjusted, and if the dungeon is set up for it, whole rooms can be rearranged to provide different challenges. All the reinforcement spells for the elite guardians do take some time to get ready and awaiting a trigger, so the essential ones are prepared, and then the final mix is tailored based on what's been seen from the invaders.

Because of this, the first few rooms of a dungeon generally have weak, unintelligent creatures guarding them because they're there as an alarm and a speed bump, and they won't get bored and wander off. Puzzles and early exploration work too, or an early boss can be put in if they're willing to sit around in a room waiting for adventurers to show up.

Since the arrival of adventuring groups is unpredictable, everyone works on a shift system. A few of the dungeon's denizens are on active guard duty, while the rest tend to be doing dungeon maintenance, mining, crafting, training, relaxing or other activities.

You can man a lookout post outside the dungeon to watch for any approaching invaders, but they can be very sneaky sometimes, since they know it gives them an advantage.

To be on the safe side, a dungeon usually has more elite guardians - bosses - than an adventuring group actually encounters when challenging the dungeon. This is to prevent a shortfall if one's lost or in the middle of something important or ill or similar. Also, a boss who is repeatedly getting beaten will start to weaken or even fall sick, so they need some time off to recover.

This does make building themed boss rooms a little tricky though. You can try to get several bosses with a similar theme and set it up to advantage all of them, sacrifice a bit of raw power to make the chamber easier to convert or build multiple chambers and use Sealing Designations to block off the ones you're not using. That last one's wasteful though.

>did you consider you could have sold the sword?
Yes, but I thought the ability to actually arm a golem against the mountainside nasties we may have to deal with while setting up the dungeon to be more valuable than an eventual asset for the dungeon when set up later. Regrettably you can't put everything into long range planning- you do need some tools to deal with the here and now.

>Layaway means making payments to kept the item in reserve... You only pick it up when paid in full.
Oops.

Nonetheless, these sorts of post are growing tiresome.

>>76963
>[image of Ricki Bobbi] [title: "With All Due Respect..."]
>layaway means making payments to keep an item in reserve... You only collect when it's paid in full.

>Stating someone's position isn't an antagonistic action. It's about as offensive as me explaining to someone else your ethical standards. I'm not disagreeing or berating Deem's MO.

>>76973
Are you referring to my and Abeo's disagreement? I think we can debate the merit of our different perspectives without throwing a tantrum, but saying "respectfully" doesn't give you the privilege not to be. I don't like to be caricatured into an egotistical narcissist when all I'm trying to do is contribute.

If you want the image removed I understand, but I won't stand for an attack on my or anyone else's character, so word to the wise: don't. tread. on. me.

>>76978
I agree that we can discuss our different perspectives on Dungeoneer related matters without throwing a tantrum. However, we can't discuss our different personal perspectives here, because it simply is not the place. I started my post with "respectfully" because I wanted to assure you that I was being sincere and honest. It was not meant to be sarcastic, or to veil nastiness disingenuously and I apologize if that is the tone you got from it, that was never my intention. I had intended my post as a friendly caution but you seem to have taken it as rather hostile which wasn't my intent.

Sharing the products of your creative process is wonderful and I'd like to see more of it. Sharing your creative process itself is out of place and not quite appropriate, at least not the way you have. If you look up at your earlier post, maybe a quarter of it actually has to do with the quest and it's made worse by over-use of line breaks. If you made an effort to cut down on bloat that occurs in some of your posts, I'm sure everybody would appreciate it.

If you think I'm being a condescending jackass, I'd prefer you let me know over in the Big Dumb Arguments thread on /general/ rather than here. I really am just trying to help though.

>>76978
There wasn't an attack on your or anyone's character. There was a polite rebuke against an example of self-indulgent verbosity. He said this isn't the place for it, and that we aren't interested. He's correct, and that's about as respectfully as he could have stated it.

And if you were unfairly attacked (which you were not), the correct response would be to report the post and move on, not respond and bluster about not standing to be tread upon.

>>76978
>I won't stand for an attack on my or anyone else's character, so word to the wise: don't. tread. on. me.

Standing up for yourself is an admirable sentiment, but here's the thing. You're not hot shit. You're not anything to be afraid of. You're an anonymous bit of text representing some guy with an opinion, like more or less everyone else here. It doesn't really matter how strong your opinions are, no one is ever going to be intimidated by what you type. Stuff like "word to the wise: don't piss me off" rings hollow.

Oh god, its happening again. What is wrong with you people? Do you want to drive our QM away?

If a guys is touchy just give him space and he'll come around: this isnt a cock fight. We all are doing the exact opposite of what were prescribing. If a guy can't cant take it and report flying off the handle on him proves just how alike you are. Who cares if nobody cares? It's not your problem. The moment you give into your inner back-biter is the instant you make it everybody's problem. It's like the moment somebodys pride has been wounded blood is in the water and that condones a feeding frenzy. we're not animals, so use that wonderful neocortex and stop bitching about the milked that spilled over the crackers. Talk about a storm in a teacup. Take your own advice take it outside to the BDA.

Oh god, its happening again. What is wrong with you people? Do you want to drive our QM away?

If a guys is touchy just give him space and he'll come around: this isnt a cock fight. We all are doing the exact opposite of what were prescribing. If a guy can't cant take it and report flying off the handle on him proves just how alike you are. Who cares if nobody cares? It's not your problem. The moment you give into your inner back-biter is the instant you make it everybody's problem. It's like the moment somebodys pride has been wounded blood is in the water and that condones a feeding frenzy. we're not animals, so use that wonderful neocortex and stop bitching about the milked that spilled over the crackers. Talk about a storm in a teacup. Take your own advice take it outside to the BDA.

Oh god, its happening again. What is wrong with you people? Do you want to drive our QM away?

If a guys is touchy just give him space and he'll come around: this isnt a cock fight. We all are doing the exact opposite of what were prescribing. If a guy can't cant take it and report flying off the handle on him proves just how alike you are. Who cares if nobody cares? It's not your problem. The moment you give into your inner back-biter is the instant you make it everybody's problem. It's like the moment somebodys pride has been wounded blood is in the water and that condones a feeding frenzy. we're not animals, so use that wonderful neocortex and stop bitching about the milked that spilled over the crackers. Talk about a storm in a teacup. Take your own advice take it outside to the BDA.

Oh god, its happening again. What is wrong with you people? Do you want to drive our QM away?

If a guys is touchy just give him space and he'll come around: this isnt a cock fight. We all are doing the exact opposite of what were prescribing. If a guy can't cant take it and report flying off the handle on him proves just how alike you are. Who cares if nobody cares? It's not your problem. The moment you give into your inner back-biter is the instant you make it everybody's problem. It's like the moment somebodys pride has been wounded blood is in the water and that condones a feeding frenzy. we're not animals, so use that wonderful neocortex and stop bitching about the milked that spilled over the crackers. Talk about a storm in a teacup. Take your own advice take it outside to the BDA.

Oh god, its happening again. What is wrong with you people? Do you want to drive our QM away?

If a guys is touchy just give him space and he'll come around: this isnt a cock fight. We all are doing the exact opposite of what were prescribing. If a guy can't cant take it and report flying off the handle on him proves just how alike you are. Who cares if nobody cares? It's not your problem. The moment you give into your inner back-biter is the instant you make it everybody's problem. It's like the moment somebodys pride has been wounded blood is in the water and that condones a feeding frenzy. we're not animals, so use that wonderful neocortex and stop bitching about the milked that spilled over the crackers. Talk about a storm in a teacup. Take your own advice take it outside to the BDA.

Well there goes the thread. I hope you are al pleased with yourselves and got your schadenfreude boners up, cuz now there isn't going to be anything useful here for weeks.
Please... Lets just talk about slimes...

Im so sorry you have to deal with us, Arhra. Just... I don't know. Take a break or something.

Uhhh...Right. Hrrm. So that's dungeoneering eh?
Sooo offenses at any time, and we need stuff set up to slow them down so we can set up the later fights?
Interesting. Since we have... Well, 3 bosses counting Deem, range-wise we can do anything from filler+1 boss, to filler+3 floors with bosses, but the bigger the dungeon, the thinner we're spread, and the easier it will be for something to go wrong.
So, here's what I'm thinking.
We set up a circular arena-like room. Flat and easy to fight on. And we plan different 'intros' for each boss we have fight there.
Deem, would do the Spider-throne pose like the Dungeon Queen she is, while Hammerai (assuming we get her!) might be meditating in the center of the circle.
Merud and Hin probably aren't fighters, so I think they should either be non-combatants or have smaller 'boss shifts' if we must use them. As far as how to build the 'employees only' areas of the dungeon alongside the main thing...Not sure really. I'll see what I can think of...

I'm thinking that Boss Deems area should have a raised honeycombed or multiple small raised platform section that has a large drop, Deems multiple legs would let her navigate it easier an I think it would make it harder to outflank her.

>>76991
I feel like a platform suspended in the center of the room by chains with "webs" on the ceiling, walls, and a few running from the walls to the platform. Deem should be able to travel on them and strike/back off like a real spider.

I believe that a slime can taught (or rather be made) to weave--like the spider does spin.
With strength of spider-silk, the benefits we'd milk so that we may oftener win.
(though it requires modification), perhaps a few transmutations from our favorite friend of the far things,
this pal of the strange may the creature rearrange and through his young wisdim may provide us the mechanism by which we can make such a change.
Imagine the possibility, better yet the utility and the fetching price of such adhesive strands...
It's worth it, you'll know, when the golden fruits do show you laughing as it runs through your hands.

>>76990
it's actually real easy, just have a few paths/rooms that lead to the treasure room from the entrance. and all the side rooms are employee rooms. when adventurers come in they will all have to use the same first few rooms. during which we get a look at them and figure out what they can do. the fist room should have a few slimes, second a puzzle, third any kind of subspecis slimes we can get, like big slimes or something with a few more normal slimes. these rooms are not supposed to kill them, but slow them down while everyone else gets into position and the employee rooms seal off and the traps activate. when off duty all doors are open.

Taffer 2013/10/22(Tue)18:14 No. 77003 ID: 2be169
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This will be quite WoW heavy so please bear with me.

For our dungeon, why not we start out with two boss battles. The first will be with our hammerai and blacksmith, and the second will be our alenist and Deem, herself.

For our first boss battle, I was thinking a large round room with raised platform in the centre of the room. This is where our blacksmith and hammerai will be at the start. On aggro, our hammerai will jump down and battle the dungeon delveer group.

For this battle, I have thought of a trigger. After a certain amount of time has elapsed or when the hammerai reaches a certain health percentage(up to you to decide), the hammerai will jump/teleport/get carried by Dungeon Keeper hand back to the platform to change weapons. Then, our blacksmith can shout "Not good enough, melt it down."/"More heat. I need more heat."/(something else) and cause lava to rise from out of the ground essentially making it a giant game of the floor is now lava. For the delvers to survive, they'll have to climb on to a bunch of stone tables, stone chairs and other things ussually found in a smithy until the lava recedes. For this part, I was thinking of maybe adding a booby trap, if anyone climbs onto a metal anvil, they'll get damaged by fire too. Also, if the tank tanks the hammerai boss too close to one of these chairs, tables and so on, she can use a special move to break all these items in a small area around her so she can't be tanked too close to a 'safe zone'. Also, the hammerai boss can do a jumping smash that will do the same thing but at a random target(not the tank) so no one can stay too close to any chair or table.

I'll have more for our alientist and Deem later.

Hello, everyone. Really enjoying the adventure so far, and the art is great.
In terms of dungeon set-up, who among are team can construct traps? Is Deem able to make them, or could Hin, as our blacksmith, design and build some?
The chain/web idea is fantastic as well- and the chains could be used as a weapon against adventurers- tripping, tying, hitting. If the chains are heavy enough to hold Deem, they would pack a nice, solid wallop.

Apologies for the wait.

For the boss battle of our alienist and Deem, I think an endurance test will be better as Reisarf and Deem don't look like or have the stats to physically hit hard.

So we can make the delvers go into a portal network to face groups of summoned alien enemies before porting to Deem and fighting her or use an elevator and have the delvers fight the summoned monsters there as they are lowered into Deem's chamber and the fight.

problem with planning bosses, we don't know how anyone fights yet. that style of battle could be COMPLETELY at odds with the hammerai code.
would say designing puzzles and challenges would be best. have to work outside in so having the first three rooms designed first would be good.

I wonder if we could incorporate some of the alienist's beings into our traps. It'd be quite terrifying to have to, say, swing over a pit of other worldly tentacles. And if one is not fast enough, they could very easily grab the adventurer.

Alright my fearsome peers, let's be careful to hedge our bet, for the mere'st miscalculation we'll all soon grow to regret.

Following the natural process of leveling, we might assume our first encounter will be "level one", but we cannot be sure if it be so easy to endure so assumptions we should make none.Before even planning our layout, we should know who we're laying traps for... so advanced information should factor in our equation before they come knocking our door. Set up a series of camouflaged golems, and give each a means through Deem may spy. Have them be still as the ground so they mayn't be found by an forest scout's sharp elf-eye.

As for the dungeon, at first make all rooms uniform, that you cannot tell one from the next. Those with poor sense of direction may marginalize their self-protection as they wander confused and vex't. Every room should have interchangeable features, in no room should anything be fix't, for the sheer versatility gives us the ability to be most troublesome dicks. We'll plan according to our "clients", but also have a general design should our intel for specialization fail...

So does any discerning young tyrant who sincerely wishes to stand defiant of the world and securely prevail.

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Does Deem have the ability to change so quickly and easily? Tailoring is all well and good, but only if we have the time to execute that. We'd have to stall our adventurers outside for that to be really effective- something like, perhaps, in OoT, the Forest Temple? There's the front room outside where one needs to beat a mini-boss and accomplish a certain task to pass. It will give us time to observe, and then may weed out the weaker adventurers easily.

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Quite a valid point you bring,
yes, coordination of the task is a most difficult thing.
Deems abilities with earth must be gauged an measured--the extent of her powers must be copletely remembered... Though I think abilities <b>High-Speed Ritual</b> <b>Ancient Power</b> and <b>Hidden Reservoir</b> will serve this purpose quite well, but for Deem's wounded heart such things are hard to tell.

I suppose if our spies were far and frequent enough spread, We'd sight all those who dungeonward tread.

Maintaining a large number of sentry golems may be prohibitively taxing on Deem's mana generation, at first anyway. From a gameplay perspective, Arhra is never going to allow us to have perfect intelligence on every adventurer. Not to say that we can't be reasonably well-informed of course.

There's a possibility that our alienist with his funky eye-staff can provide surveillance options, possibly in conjunction with specialized rooms we could construct.

A fine point the savvy /tg/entleman makes, I suppose I should be more frugal for all that's at stake. Perhaps they can be manufactured for fuel efficiency, designed as our line of Golem Class: Economy. All we need is an eye, no motor skills needed, that should make an effect on the mana it'll have depleted... But for the range of Deems powers, that is quite a problem: T'would be a waste if poor reception lead to a golemite pogrom.

Perhaps an antennae, or some sort signal amp to get a boostin'?, It seems that we have quite a problem here, my dear Houston. Maybe if we took time and laid cable underground? To such questions answers are scarce to be found.

But, Arhra be willing, there must be a sound way. Beyond that on this topic I've little else to say.

As for the practicality of uniform rooms, that's quite easier to fease, for inter-room interchangeability can be made with ease. Just have strong, solid arms to install any attachment and have Deem with earth-shape fuse the seam... And wait for the ill-fated craven detachment to arrive and and promptly be creamed.

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Ah, Deem it. Sorry, QM+Comrades, It seems I should've logged out before going to work that morning... tactfulness doesn't exactly run in the family.
To solve this horrendous fiasco, I agree with Abeo by inviting anyone interested discussing it in the BDA.

Abeo, no harm no foul. Anyone else that might have been offended, please accept my sincere apologies, my would be mini-me is not very even keeled, but go easy on him, he is just a kid.

I hadn't finished my whole Dungeoneering spiel, which would get down to the specifics after the more general analysis procedures, but since the voice of the people have spoken, I'll secede.

I've got my creature proposals ready btw, I'll upload them when I get home. From now on I'll use a tripcode. Sorry again fellas, and very sorry to you, Arhra Akbar.

Speaking of monsters, I've my own list to submit, but first may I suggest dropping your name and your trip; from them you'll no longer benefit. In you I'll confide, 'tis not safe to speak outside: >>/meep/25486

Now, as for monsters, I have quite a few. of many kinds and classes, but for now just slimes will do. Now as for rank, there are three-a-tier:
Uncommon, Scarce and Exceptionally Rare.

Uncommon
pH+ Pudding: As most slimes are corrosive in the acidic, these are corrosive in base. Useful for making solutions or if you've acid on your face. When mixed with care and finesse (by a skilled apothecary no less) and and on the wound is placed, the acid is neutralized, and the flesh is (mostly) replaced.

Salty Slime: These are unusually salty, oft used to flavor food quite paltry. Their salt is valued in trade, is used to cure meat, and is required for some species' diets. It's really quite fine, can't tell it from brine, so don't be afraid to try it. Be sure to explain to any comrades with you remain lest they're face goes horridly pale when you stoop down to sample it's trail.

Scarce
Electric Ooze: These little fellas are quite shocking I'll tellya, of battery acid they're made. They accumulate static an magnets'll act out all erratic when down the hall they parade. You I should alarm to minimize bodily harm to flee when they gather in groups of three like one form; sparks they'll exchange and electric fields rearrange as they cause to gather a storm!

Sticky Slime: I'll admit, these I love the best. These nifty goos produce a potent glue that on adventurers I'll often test. Many products one can make, if they time they will take to study this unusual breed. This also you should note, on eggs and potatoes they exclusively feed.

Exceptionally Rare
I'm afraid this morning I have no more time to spare. I hopefully soon will return this afternoon to with you the other two share.

I'll admit the idea of a slime being used to pickle foodstuffs is hilarious. Little slimes full of pickles. We'll have to see how the slimes turn out.

I feel privileged to be worth your kindhearted mirth, but back to business I insist. Of the Scarce and Uncommon, I've got more a-comin', and the Rare are still absent from the list. Just like before I have with me four more, and perhaps a fifth and a sixth. So with no more delay I'll tell what I've got to say and below more concepts affix:

Uncommon
Branching from regular slimes of acid, like the Electric Oozes do, is a slime that's particular of what materials it chews. It's a selective slime and goes by the handle of Gatherer's Goo. And while it has a forgettable name, it's quite handy all the same. Some eat dirt, and some eat wood, some cut stone faster than any pickaxe could. The problem with them is they quickly get full, and quite heavy that their weight its too much for them to pull... But should you have it lifted and placed in a cast or mold, it's lighter nature from its burden unfolds. And should you peer inside after it escapes, there's solidified sediment that sits in it's place. It's a rather inventive form of fabrication, but reveal your trade secret and it'll soon spread throughout the nation.

Despite the class it's been assigned this one's rather quite common. It's just a bladder of water, but don't be so quick to judge this Alkaline's daughter. For Aquaorbs have the potential to beget something more than a place where water can be stored. You'll soon see what I mean in the next section, now if you'll kindly allow me to point you in the right direction....

Scarce
Miner's Mud is the name of the next specimen presented, from the aforementioned Gather's Goo it has descended. It has a taste for sturdier stuff. When it's full and has had plenty enough, you can put in in a mold and shut the door, much like the Gatherer's Goo I've mentioned before. As it escapes, a precipitate remains within--and there you have cold-casted stuff of iron or tin.

From Aquaorb stock we have Slippery Slime and her sister Sponge Sludge and the first will more than help against foes who won't budge. Slip perspires a coat of translucent oil, and to those feet it's applied must suffer and toil to keep at least all fours on the ground, and are often on their back before the end of the round. Not only in combat are its talents well spent, but machinist love it for its friction fighting lubricant. Sponge Sludge is decidedly less popular, yet in her silent dignity is a sludge most proper. She always over Slip's messes slaves away, absorbing the slick from a yet another successful day. She absorbs liquids of all kinds and can plug a leak in a pinch, but she'd much rather be rescued by a handsome young prince.

Exceptionally Rare
Miser's Mire: These little globs have developed a particular taste for for fine metals and gems worthy of being encased. Some pine for gold and some hunger for silver, some crave for the taste of just one ruby sliver. (Yes, its a punny Oz reference, and silver can indeed be rhymed, but orange and purple's mates I still struggle to find.) You don't need to hear from me just how valuable these critters can be.

Yes, it seems I have time for one more before I vacate your door.

This young lass was once a Sponge Sludge, and after enduring days of hard labor and being dismissed as a drudge has finally emerged from her ugly duckling/Cinderella phase to become a slime quite worthy of praise. In all her effort secluded striving to stop streams of fluid, she learned she can absorb more immaterial things. No ghost or mind stinging phasm will risk his ectoplasm to ever approaching this beautiful invention, for her ghostbusting gift can dissolve a spiritual rift if she had enough mass and dimension. Her skills dont stop there, for though exceedingly rare her kind has one more utility, for some have uncovered a power undiscovered: to siphon or share the mana it can spare is most singular ability. No wonder jack-puddles drool watching her sit on her stool, upon a pedestal above, aloof and afar. For their hearts she can stop, this admired cherised drop of Soul Sink or Mana's Jar.